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Published May 14, 2023, 11:20 p.m. by Naomi Charles
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i'd like to
talk to you about your financial future
and i hope those figures become
applicable to all of you as we go along
and i'd like to start
uh by posing a problem for you
and instead i'm just going to talk for a
couple minutes and we'll do q a because
what we want to do is talk about what's
on your mind but i'd like you to think
about this for just a second
if as we walked out of here today
i said i would like to buy
10 of your financial future
i was going to write you a check today
and
from this day forth
you were going to give me 10 of
everything you earned
how much would you want to charge me for
that
i'm gonna buy one tenth of you
and uh i may take the low bid
incidentally so be careful what you uh
right now well i think if you thought
about that a little while as you
you can contemplate that for a few
minutes you know you're gonna get a
check for me today
and you can do anything you want with
the money but
from this day forth you have to give me
10 of what you earn
i think it would be very foolish
of you
any of
you if you asked for less than say fifty
thousand dollars now it's gonna be a few
years before you're out earning money
and so i've got a few years of dead
money there but then i would start
getting this royalty on you as you went
along so
i really think that if you thought about
it
most of you would want a fair amount
more than that i think you'd be right
fortunately i didn't make this deal with
anybody when i started out so nobody's
got a 10 royalty on me but uh i think
that
50 000 would sort of be the absolute
minimum
and if you think about that
that means that right today
you are worth five hundred thousand
because of ten percent of you is worth
fifty thousand in cash today
your potential
is worth a minimum on 100 basis
of 500 000 that is the big financial
asset you've got it's way more important
what you do with that 500 000 asset that
you own today
then
whether you decide to buy stocks or
bonds or whether you put your money in a
mutual fund or pick your own stocks or
anything of that sort the biggest
financial asset
that you have going for you by miles
is the value of your own earning power
over the years so that's really what you
should focus on if you're focusing on
your financial future
that means you should finance focus on
you
because whether you're ten percent is
worth fifty thousand or a hundred
thousand or three hundred thousand
which would be five hundred thousand or
a million or three million for all of
you
whether it turns out to be one or the
other is really dependent
uh in a very large part on what you do
in the next few years
all of you in this room
have the brains to do extremely well in
life
you've all got the energy to do
extremely well in life and then the
question is how do you apply it
if you've got a 200 horsepower motor
you get 200 horsepower out of it you get
your full
potential or do you get 100 horsepower
or 50 horsepower
now there's two things that can
hold you back in getting the full
horsepower out of your your engine
whatever it may be all of you have big
enough engines
and one of those is a lack of education
but that probably isn't going to happen
to very many people in this room if you
did have a lack of education if you
didn't have a chance to get a decent
education in life it wouldn't make any
difference what that potential was
because
you'd never unlock it
but the second most important thing
and equally as important
is in terms of the habits that you
develop in terms of what you do with
yourself
when we
hire people we look for three qualities
we look for integrity we look for
intelligence and we look for energy
but if they don't have the first one
integrity the other two will kill you
because if you're hiring somebody
without integrity you really want to be
dumb and lazy don't you i mean you're
the last thing in the world you want
forms to be smart energetic so
smart and energetic only goes with
integrity
you know you make your own decision on
that you can't change
your iq or how far you control football
or how high you can jump or the color of
your hair very easily but you can
elect
to have integrity that matches anybody
else's and if you match that with
intelligence which you have and energy
which you have
uh you will get an extraordinary result
and you'd be very foolish to sell me 10
of yourself for 50 000. on the other
hand
if you don't match it with that your
potential will in a significant part go
unused
and i'll give you a little
simple test to apply in terms of
thinking about the kind of habits you
want to develop because you can have any
habits you want to be you can be you can
be lazy you can be prompt you can be you
can be
late you can be honest you can cut
corners i mean you have all these
choices
and those are choices for you to make
nobody else is going to make them for
you
and i would suggest that you play this
little game with me too
uh think about the person you would most
like to be in life
so maybe it's one of your contemporaries
maybe somebody a little older but pick
out the person you admire the most the
person you'd change places with if you
could
and then write down why you admire them
just put it on a piece of paper
and then figure out the person that you
would
least like to change places with who
really turns you off who do you find
repulsive
and list the reasons why
that person turns you off so much
and put those down on the other side of
the paper
and then look at that list
and you'll find that everything on the
left-hand side what you admire in other
people
the qualities they bring to life
um cheerfulness you know generosity all
kinds of things you'll find those are
things you can do yourself it's very
simple
you gotta apply yourself but the habits
you form and doing that early on will
carry you through life and on the other
hand you'll find that the things that
make people repulsive
selfishness obnoxiousness all these
things egotism
are things
that no one has to have if you find
those in yourself you can get rid of
them as long as you get rid of them
early so
all i suggest is that you write you
write down a list of what what you
admire what you find uh
contemptible
and decide that you know the ones on the
on the
at admired side are ones you're going to
acquire for yourself and if you do that
when you're young it'll carry you
through the rest of your life this
doesn't work if you do it when you're 50
or 60. by then the habits are too well
formed
uh but if you do it early
behavior becomes becomes a habit so
if you do that
two or three years from now if you go
through the same exercise
you'll find out the person you admire
the most is yourself
that can be a little dangerous under
some circumstances but it uh
but it's not it's not a bad thing i mean
you want to be somebody you like
and you don't want to be somebody that
you're that you dislike and and
form those habits early
you basically can't miss now i'll give
you one other small piece of advice
that's just a corollary on this
and then we'll get to your questions and
and that is as a general matters of one
piece of specific finance
financial advice
i would say you know avoid credit cards
just forget about them
uh we're in various businesses that
issue credit cards the american public
loves credit cards but if you start
revolving debt on credit cards you're
going to be paying
18 or 20 percent and
you can't make
progress in your financial life going
around borrowing money at 18 or 20
percent
you can make a lot of money by lending
it out at 18 or 20 over time you know if
you can find anybody that's good that
will borrow from you but you don't want
to be on the side of the equation
that's always behind in life
uh you know i was lucky i'd saved about
ten thousand dollars by the time i got
out of school that ten thousand dollars
was
really worth millions i might have
earned later on because after you get a
family and everything the expenses roll
in but but those were my tools to work
with but it was only because i was ahead
of the game if you're behind the game by
ten thousand dollars at some point and
paying eighteen or twenty percent
interest on it you will never you know
you'll never get out of it so the trick
i've got a partner that says
all i wanna know is where i'm going to
die so i'll never go there you know and
uh
and that's true in financial matters as
well you want to figure out where you
don't want to be
uh ahead of time and avoid that and i
get about a dozen letters a day
from people who are having terrible
problems
and there are two reasons why they have
terrible problems one is
a number of them have had health
problems of some sort i mean they have
really been hit by some or somebody in
their family has been hit by some kind
of catastrophic
illness and that is a you know it's a
terrible thing to happen to any family
and they get in
they run up bills they can't pay and and
really only society can solve that one
uh uh in terms of protecting people
against that that's just plain bad luck
but
the other one is from people who run up
credit card debt and
they're facing bankruptcy here they've
been through bankruptcy once before and
they owe a whole bunch of money and they
can't they can't pay the interest let
alone pay any principal
and half of my letters come from people
like that and that that that problem is
avoidable catastrophic illness is not
but but uh
credit card debt is something you bring
on yourself and
it's way better
it's way easier to stay out of trouble
than to get out of trouble financially
and and uh i will guarantee you if you
run a big credit card that you will be
in trouble
uh probably the rest of your life in
terms of uh your financial situation on
the other hand if you get ahead of the
game
uh even it's on a very modest scale
so that money is coming in from
investing
and you're you're
people owe you money or equities owe you
ownership
uh you'll be way ahead of the game
compared to paying it uh being always
being paying
your creditors every month so my advice
to you is uh
if you can't pay for it don't buy it and
uh get yourself in a position where you
can pay for anything and
then we'll be glad to see it borsheims
or nebraska furniture market
now let's uh
let's have some questions
do we have a mic out there that
people can either go to or that travels
around or
anything that's on your mind ask about
don't don't don't be bashful
yeah how would you advise people who
aren't necessarily going into a career
field in which you would make a
large base salary such as like medicine
or
something like that maybe
performing arts or
music
how would you advise us to
keep up financially with the rest of the
world
well
it is true
that a market system
does not pay as well in some in some
activities as
as might seem appropriate
for the importance of those activities
the society just take teaching for
example i mean teaching does not pay
well
and what could be more important i mean
you know you've got to be as
as interested in who you're
the teachers of your children are as who
your accountant is or you know whatever
or who's winning the heavyweight title
of the world or that sort of thing but
it doesn't pay well and and
it's a fundamental choice uh whether
you're going to go into something for
many people it'd be a fundamental choice
whether you're going to go into
something you love or something to to
try and make a lot of money i think that
generally it pays to go with what you
love
i think that
it's very hard to find people
when they get to be my age
who say they're on that they've loved
what they've done all their life and
feel was very worthwhile
but they're terribly sad they made that
choice because they didn't make a lot of
money i i don't think anybody's ever
ever said that to me that they wish
they'd gone into something else where
they were uncomfortable doing it or
didn't enjoy it didn't feel very
productive but made a lot of money so i
don't i don't think you'll find
that so i would i would i would go to
work
in whatever turns you on it may turn out
that it'll it'll be more profitable than
you can think but
almost everybody here will make
enough money unless they get some
terrible habits along the way
to do reasonably well and doing
reasonably well in this country
really is
is uh is pretty darn good i mean
it is
it's not necessary to have
uh huge amounts of money in order enjoy
yourself i enjoyed myself when i was at
my ten thousand dollars and i live in
the same house that i lived in when i
was making when i had about that i
bought it 41 years ago i like the house
then i like the house now i mean
if you think about it
if you have a reasonable job
you'll be eating at mcdonald's and i'll
be eating mcdonald's so we're we're to
push on on on food i mean you know in
fact i hope it's dairy queen actually
and
uh and if you come to dairy queen you'll
see me and you can order anything on the
menu i can order we both can afford it
uh
you know you'll you'll wear the same
clothes i wear i'll pay more for my
suits but as soon as i put them on they
look cheap on me so we'll look about the
same and
we'll both live in the same kind of
houses i live in that house from 41
years ago and it's it's it's warm in
winter and it's cool in summer and it's
comfortable
and you'll live in a house that's that's
similar and then and what difference
does it make if you have 50 more rooms
or you know guest houses or all that
you know it'll probably just bring you
problems i mean you have to worry about
the about the greenskeeper or something
when you get through so i i i have been
in the houses of people
uh where the houses are worth um
oh probably 200 times
uh what my house is worth and i would
not be any happier in those houses at
all in fact i'd be less happy i just
have one more thing to
to worry about and you know the
dozens of people around the place and
people quitting and people stealing from
you and all kinds of things to hell with
it now uh
we drive we'll drive the same kind of
car in fact you'll probably drive a
better car i drive our cars about eight
years old i don't know what it's worth
now but it gets me around fine i mean
i'm perfectly happy we'll watch
we'll watch the same television you know
we'll we'll work on the same computer
pretty much the only difference will be
how we travel long distances you know
i will
fly in a plane that's
more comfortable than
than flying southwest airlines or
something and which uh i've got nothing
against but that's the one real big
difference and other than that i do what
i like every day i hope you you'll do
what you like every day to do and i work
with nice people i hope you work with
nice people uh
and there's 24 hours in the day and
those are where the hours go so
great wealth
is the tiniest bit different
uh in a real sense than having just a
decent
a decent income and
and to trade
a decent income
and something you love doing and
something where you feel worthwhile
doing it
for
huge wealth where you trade off a lot of
your principles
uh would be a terrible mistake
would you not acknowledge your success
more on yourself or from the help and
teachings of others
well i had i had
i was very lucky in life
uh if you tell me who your heroes are i
i will
make a pretty good prediction about how
what you're going to do and i i i had
the right heroes i was very lucky in
life and uh my heroes never let me down
and started with my dad
and then i had others in business and
so i have had
great teachers some formal teachers some
that were just
informal teachers teachers by instinct
or example
and
if i hadn't had those
uh
you know my life i'm sure would have
been very different if i'd been born
anyplace else when i was i was born in
1930
uh and
at the time
one out of 50 births in the world were
in the united states so i came in
against 50 to 1 odds against being born
in the united states
i would have i would have been a
disaster you know if i'd been born in
afghanistan or
or peru or some place i mean i was
extraordinary today i was born you know
by being born in this country so have
you
uh i mean you you
the odds were probably 40 to 1 against
you being born in this country and that
were
five times more likely to have been born
in in china six times four or five times
more likely you've been born in
in india or some other place where it
would not have been as easy
to exploit the full potential of your
talent so we've all won the lottery in
that respect and and that's just plain
luck i mean it and i was lucky to be
born at this time i mean capital
allocation
is something
that pays off extremely well in the
society now but it doesn't pay off in
other societies and it didn't pay off
you know many years ago my my friend
bill gates says that if i was been born
a few thousand years ago i'd have been
some animals lunch you know
i i can't run very fast and i can't
climb trees and you know i just happen
those are talents
nobody asked me to climb trees now but
uh there was a time when it might have
been important and incidentally bill
would have been some animals breakfast i
mean he can't run so fast either but uh
in any event uh
you know
we are lucky i mean just imagine being
born a couple hundred years ago with
exactly the same talents and how far
they would have taken you then you know
the average person today lives so much
better than the richest person lived
100 or 150 years ago so
uh
i'm lucky in that respect lucky to be
born of terrific parents i was lucky to
be raised in omaha in a in a great
public school system i got a start here
in the first eight grades
that gave me a foundation that later
when i went off the track a few times uh
carried me through because i had a
terrific grade school education
in right here in omaha and rose hill and
one of the reasons
i had it incidentally is kind of
unfortunate but i had that great
education
uh in part
because women were being
enormously discriminated against and so
a woman at that time
could be a teacher she could be a
secretary she could be a nurse
you know and that was about it so he had
a half the talent pool in the united
states
limited to just a few jobs so you had an
abundance of talent
uh in those activities like nursing or
teaching because
uh that talent with males was spread
across every act every form of work
activity there was but with women it was
concentrated in a few areas and that
that benefited me it's kind of sad
because it didn't benefit those teachers
but but i was very lucky and
i've really been that way
uh all my life and what i do
is what i do is important as you know
what a good teacher does or a good nurse
does or something of the sort you know i
think that's quite questionable it pays
off enormously well in a market economy
like the united states and but that's an
accident didn't have any do any innate
ability of mine
mr buffett technology has been a great
factor in um stimulating the world
economy what are your predictions for
the future of the technology industry
and what what is its future role in
world economy and the united states
economy yeah well it's there's no
question it's turning the world upside
down it's it's done done it somewhat
already but
it will you know it's just beginning but
it's moving very fast i met gates on
july 15 1991 i was out there for a
fourth of july
uh
celebration with a friend and uh
who subsequently died in greenfield of
the washington post and she took us down
to visit the gates family
and
he tried to educate me about high tech
and he'd had better luck with
chimpanzees i mean i i was i was really
a disaster but but he's a good teacher
but one thing he told me was that
at the time he said you know you've got
this model in your head of the world
and your model
has
time and distance
as very limiting factors and he said
they aren't limiting factors anymore he
said you know the cost
of talking to somebody around the world
or getting your message in front of
somebody or publishing is it's going to
be zero and they're so close to zero it
doesn't make any difference you know
that was revolutionary
but it's happening already in a in a
very very big way and
it's just uh what eight years later
and and it's it's exploding so
high-tech
information technology whatever you want
to call it
is changing the world
and it's going to change it in a very
very big way it'll change i mean that's
one of the things i think about in
businesses we buy uh we announced the
purchase uh yesterday
of a uh furniture retailer in in in
boston in the boston area
and you know i think to myself what
effect does this new world have in terms
of the internet on furniture retail i
mean you have to think about questions
like that
the changes will be huge i will i played
bridge yesterday
uh with people
uh all over the country but i played it
with people all over the world i just
sit down on my computer and i've got
some popcorn there and i'm in khakis and
a sweater and i i can have a bridge game
in 30 seconds with people all over the
world and
no cost to it basically you know that's
a lot different than trying to arrange a
game with four people in omaha you know
on a day when one guy wants to play golf
another wants to watch baseball and i
mean it's it it just it changes things
in huge way
uh
we are very fortunate i mean it's
in the degree to which the united states
leads the world in this area i mean we
have a lead
it's hard to think of who's in second
place
and 15 or so years ago
this country had an inferiority complex
it'd be hard for you to remember because
you weren't old enough to be around them
but in the in the early 80s
we were wondering whether the germans
and the japanese were going to own
everything and that they were going to
make all the steel and they were going
to make all the cars
and everything else and the television
sets and we were going to flip
hamburgers that was the standard line
and just imagine in a short period like
15 years how that's changed around
in an important way that's changed
because of this
information uh a revolution uh where we
like i said i don't know who i don't
know who you would name as being in
second place in the world but here's the
most important industry in the world
and the united states has this
incredible position and we're moving all
the time with that position so
i think that
argues for a very
i think it argues for a terrific future
for the world over time and i think it
argues even more for a terrific future
for this company a country
what are the best ways for youth to get
started now in securing their financial
future
for
for what to secure their financial
future
for you youth oh well it's not it's not
very complicated
it goes back to
getting full use out of your own talents
first
i mean the difference between whether
you're going to be earning x or 2x or 3x
a year
20 years from now
is going to be a function
of how well not how much talent you have
but how how well you use the talents you
already have
and uh so that is
the your best financial future
is your own ability and and
and your
uh a capacity to
to use those abilities to their
potential
and
they can't take that can't be taken away
from you they can't even tax it
i mean uh you know most things if if you
wanna you know a piece of real estate if
they double the taxes they double the
taxes and that changes your ownership in
the property because now in effect the
taxing authorities own more of it
because they've got a greater command on
the revenue stream uh the same thing
about
uh almost any asset you have uh
but
they they don't tax what's in your head
and they don't tax
your ability to
start performing when you when you get
to work in the morning and finish in the
evening
to to your potential one of the things
that amazes me
is how people who really do perform well
just sort of jump out at you once you're
running a business when i got out of
school i thought you know everybody
would behave that way but they don't
most people sort of go
go through life in a sleepwalk and
and it if you don't
you will stand out so
the big the biggest thing for your
financial future is yourself now
beyond that it is always being ahead of
the game rather than getting behind the
game it's saving a little no matter how
you do it i mean i delivered papers i
worked at pennies i sold golf balls i
had a pinball machine round i did a lot
of things
that enabled me to accumulate about ten
thousand dollars by the time i got out
of school
uh
10 000 doesn't go as far now as it did
then but it
having anything so that you're ahead of
the game and not getting behind the game
is enormously important i mean just
you know if you're gonna run 100
yard dash against a bunch of people in
life
if you can figure it out so that when
the gun goes off you're 10 or 15 yards
ahead
instead of 10 or 15 yards behind it's
going to make an enormous difference in
how that race comes out so
uh
having having some net
resources
doesn't make much difference whether
they're in stocks or bonds in my view
but uh
and not having debt
when that gun goes off when you get out
of school
is a huge plus over being behind the
game and uh
uh
you know
it may come from delivering a paper out
in the morning it may come from
part-time work someplace but
but put aside a few dollars for yourself
but
uh so that when the time comes and you
enter
you enter the workforce uh you're ahead
of the game and not behind and then once
you get there don't get behind by buying
a whole lot of things that you figure
you're going to pay for some day while
you're paying 20 interest in between
i was wondering with the increasing
costs of education today what can
students do to deal with their debts
once they're out of college
well that's a tough one i mean i guess
i'd pay it off as fast as i could and i
would incur as little debt as as
possible in before that time came and i
would say this
in my experience
in business
there is very little difference
if any
between a very high priced business
education and what's available a lot for
a lot less money so i i
i went to the university of nebraska at
lincoln
my last year in college i went to
wharton for a couple years before that
i learned just as much at the university
of nebraska as i did at wharton uh
and there's nothing against wharton i
mean it's just me we had a very good
school here i had some terrific
professors at lincoln
and so i i would not assume
that if i was paying a few thousand
dollars for an education
uh here in the state for example versus
paying huge amounts elsewhere
that it was going to make a lot of
difference uh
most of a lot of the education
uh and you need to be prodded in the
right direction but an awful lot of it
is is itself
is self-taught done
uh
i mean andrew carnegie did a wonderful
thing in this country in terms of
libraries and i used to spend a lot of
time at libraries i can get locked in at
the university of omaha one what was
then the university of omaha and they
had
i couldn't get out for hours and one
night i got so entranced with what i was
reading but it
there's there's all kinds of information
available now with the internet it's so
much you know easier than it was then so
uh it's out there to be taken
and
it isn't necessary to pay
30 or 35 000 a year to go to some
big name school
to get the education at all i mean if
you're going to learn accounting if
you're going which is probably the most
important course you'd take in business
if you're going to learn account you can
learn accounting absolutely as well
in my view going to you and always going
to
harvard i mean i see
i bet on that and
i wouldn't run up
huge bills
in terms of getting a business education
now you know if you're going to get a
medical education
i mean there's certain professions where
there may not be any way around
spending a fair amount of money and
getting in debt to some degree you've
got to make that decision yourself but
i'd certainly try to minimize it
and uh
and i would sort of i would have it
figured out
how i would handle that debt in say a
five-year period after i got out of
school or i would think twice about
incurring it
what advice would you have for a forming
non-profit organization
for forming a non-profit organization
well i've always tried to avoid forming
non-profit organizations
uh well that would that would depend
entirely on what i wanted to accomplish
i mean it you know it'd be one thing it
was a hospital it could be another thing
uh you know
there's a there's so many types of it so
i you know you've got to get people that
are
that are experienced and involved
uh
in an entity like that and uh
but it depends so much on the on the
objective uh
you're working at uh
i understand that you're very civically
involved and i was wondering how
important of a quality you think that is
for an individual in life and why
yeah well i wouldn't say that i am that
i mean i i do certain civic things i
think i think
your model as a citizen for example in
online would be walter scott i mean he
is far more civically involved than i am
and uh incidentally his predecessor
peter kiewit was too but walters carried
it to new heights so i uh i don't want
to
take
uh on any mantle for that myself i do
some things uh
one of the problems i have is i love
what i do so much that
that it sort of takes over i mean i'm
like a guy that likes to play a lot of
golf or something except i like i like
the business i'm in but
uh i've got a family that participates
very actively uh uh some of my children
work on almost anything that comes along
in the civic area and
you know it's
you do
in the end people do what they want to
do to quite a degree and and uh
i think
i've never talked to anybody that
that enjoyed working in civic activities
that didn't feel was very worthwhile
after they've done i mean they've built
something and participating in building
something is always
a lot of fun and actually you have a
good time we have this golf tournament
for example in
september and we raise some money for
something but everybody has a good time
so nobody's paying any price by doing it
i'm having a good time the people who
come are having a good time
and uh we get to show all more off to
people
but
you should be enjoying things that go
along and you will if you work in civic
activities that that
that interest you and you can do the
same thing in politics i mean
if you find political ideas or
or politicians who particularly
uh
you identify with turning on you can get
a lot of self satisfaction out of out of
working and you're doing something
worthwhile so i
just just follow your instincts on that
that'd be my recommendation
i have question what do you see as the
problem the biggest economic problem
facing
the youth of today going into the future
yeah i don't think you that
you're going to have enormous economic
problems i think you will live in a
society
where the average person
uh lives better
by a significant margin
than the average one of a generation
earlier or two generations earlier
that's been the history of this country
it's a marvelous country that way i mean
it when you think of it we have four and
a half percent of the world's population
you know and and what's been
accomplished here is incredible 53
percent of the
of the value of corporations that are
publicly traded in the world exist in
the united states with four and a half
percent of the population this country
always
has done well uh
they say in stocks
that you should buy stock in a business
that's so good that even an idiot can
run it because sooner or later one will
and and
that's not terrible advice well that
seems to have been sort of the history
of this country from time to time i mean
we've
we've had all these problems that have
come along if you look back in the last
hundred years and list all the problems
those countries run into you know you
make a very long list and a lot of
people who focused on those problems at
the time have missed the bigger picture
and the bigger picture
is that every generation was better than
the one before
and that's because of uh
that's because of
savings because savings enable people
to create new tools to do better things
as they go along and it's also
due to an environment
that lets people realize their potential
to a greater degree than most other
environments in the world it's far from
perfect i mean it's it's sad how far it
is from perfect but it is better than
anything else
around i mean in this country uh you've
got
you don't have some commissar or
something running a
you know a big business in this country
you've got a guy like jack welch and a
fellow like jack welch makes
a difference of night and day
in terms of the productivity of that
business over a period of decades and
productivity is what a
is what causes the standard of living to
rise so anything that a system that
throws up the jack welch's of the world
to run businesses
is going to have an enormous advantage
over a society that does it by heredity
or that does it by government edict
and we've got
we're closer to that society
that i've described than than anything
than any other country and it's
it's led to great things and it will
continue to lead to great things so i
think i think you've got the best future
uh you know you don't face you don't
face a war
and you've got a you you've got a a
great
uh you've got a better future in terms
of achieving material rewards than any
generation in history so
i wish i could trade you places
i was wondering if you or if you could
speak for mr gates were afraid of
the impact on y2k on the economy or
specifically the stock market yeah well
i'm i'm i'm glad you gave me a chance to
bring in other people because i i'm the
last guy in the world understanding
about y2ki you know i don't know why
this microphone's working i don't know
you know why lights go on
i i flip on the switch of my television
set and pray i mean it's all
it's all beyond me but
i would say this the smartest people i
know in that area
uh in large part think it's going to be
a non-event it
uh in this country i don't i can't speak
for the rest of the world but uh uh so i
think uh
i think you'll wake up on
january
first and find the world hasn't changed
from december 31st now i would say this
you might you might get a whole bunch of
friends to write your checks for a
billion dollars on december 31st and
deposit them and you know who knows
what'll happen can't lose anything i
mean i'm not going to do his bounce and
if the system gets followed up you know
you might find a lot of money in your
account but i wouldn't count on it then
wait we have a
we own a company called executive jet
we have about 14 or 1500
uh customers who own pieces of airplanes
with us and we so we've got a hundred
and
well we got 160 of their planes and some
of our own flying around it'll be very
interesting to me to see
what the
advance people let us know ahead of time
when they want to use it it'll be very
interesting to see how many
sign up for
january 1st at
1201 but
it wouldn't bother me to fly him in the
least on january 1st or do anything else
on january 1st
ideally i hope the getting prepared to
watch the huskers play in
the big game
and i was wondering how do you decide
what you invest your time and money in
yeah well i i i like to find
businesses that have good economics now
what what are good economics well good
economics are a business that has
some kind of a moat around it
that makes its product or its service or
its location or something
a little more
desirable than to the customer than any
other sort of comparable product you
know the number one candy bar in the
last 30 or 40 years has been snickers
people don't fool around with different
candy bars they fool around with
different
length dresses they flew around you know
with all kinds of things but they don't
fool around with candy bars because they
figure you know they're going to go in
and lay out 50 cents or whatever it is
and put it in their mouth and
they're not going to for 50 cents and
putting in your mouth i mean you're not
going to say i'll i'll put in lay out 45
cents and put something else in my mouth
so you find that very stable
and we like businesses that we think we
can figure out where they're going to be
in 10 or 15 years i don't know where the
information technology businesses are
going to be in 10 or 15 years i know
where snickers bars are going to be in
10 or 15 years they're going to be
selling just about you know the way they
do now i know where wrigley's gum is
going to be in 10 or 15 years there's
not going to be a lot of innovation
in in chewing them and people the
internet's not going to cause people to
quit chewing gum either i mean at least
i mean gates may think so but i don't
think so
but
it's predictability
regarding the sustainability of a
competitive advantage some something
special about a product so we look for
those kind of products and then we look
for people that are running the business
that are honest
and able
it's easier to find people that are
honest and able than it is to find
businesses that are going to stay
wonderful for a long period of time
there are a lot of business that looked
like they were going to stay wonderful
but really evaporated over time but
that's what we're looking for and the
nice thing about is we don't have to
find very many if we find one a year
that's terrific
because you don't you don't need a
hundred or a thousand great investment
ideas to do well
you need a couple
and
if we the discipline
is the most important thing we don't
need brain power
we need discipline
you don't need 150 iq to do what i do
thank god you know you don't need 140
you know 135 you may need 115 or
something like that and
and but you do need discipline you have
to wait until you see the fat pitch to
swing at
because investing is a no-call strike
game you know if i were a baseball
player and i only like pitches
two inches above my navel
you know some guy could learn that and
he could pitch me you know three or four
inches below that and i get called out
on strikes because i never find a pitch
i like you can get call out on strikes
in baseball you have to swing at pitches
that you you don't even necessarily like
particularly after the count gets to two
strikes
in business
you don't have to swing on anything you
can sit there and
the paper says general motors at 68 or
it says general electric at 115 or so
general dynamics at 63.
and if you don't like those prices you
don't have to swing you can wait there
day after day after day after day and
there are no called strikes
now when you swing when you decide to
buy something
then you know if you swing and miss it's
a strike but
it's a marvelous game to be in because
there are no called strikes and you can
simply wait for that one time
in a month or six months or a year or
two or three years when you really know
what you're doing where you like the
price or you like the people running the
business
and then you swing and you only need a
few swings in your lifetime
so that's the way we try to pick
businesses we try to stay with things we
understand
i mean there can be all kinds of
wonderful investment opportunities out
there that i don't understand i don't
know what cocoa beans are going to do
next year you know maybe you know but i
don't know i i don't know what i don't
know what uh crude oil is going to sell
for
but
i don't have to know
i just have to know the things i have to
know what i know
i have to know where the limits of my
understanding are what i call
what my circle of competence is
and if i'm only able to evaluate five
percent of the businesses in the world
no problem i just stay within that five
percent and try and find something
uh and that's most people get in trouble
because
in investments because they
well they get itchy you know they can't
discipline themselves and they hear
about other people making money nothing
upsets people so much as to hear about
their friends making money i mean it's
that that's very destructive to
discipline because they think i'm smart
on that guy next door and he just just
bought that new car with the money made
trading stocks on the internet so why
can't i well the answer is you can't
overcome time you will lose money to
trade stocks actively
and uh
it's it's hard to exercise the
discipline
but anytime you buy something
you should be able to take out a
one-page sheet of paper
and say i'm buying general motors it's
65. i'm buying general electric 150
because
and you should write down the reasons if
you can't you can't fill out the sheet
if it's because somebody told me about
it at a cocktail party last night that's
not good enough
if it's because my broker told me about
it that's not good enough
yeah it's uh you've got to have a reason
for thinking that it makes an
intelligent investment you do the same
thing if you're buying a farm or an
apartment house if you're buying a farm
you'd say i'm buying this farm with a
thousand dollars an acre because i think
i can earn 60 an acre on it if corn
cells and such and such and soybean
cells and such and such and yield as
such and such and you'd figure it out
that's the same reason you buy
businesses and when you buy stocks
you're buying a little piece of a
business
and that's probably the most important
thing to remember in investing is that
when you're buying a stock you're buying
a little piece of the business and
if you are buying it at an attractive
price for the business for the whole
business you're going to make money and
if you aren't
you know over time you won't make money
um reverend jackson jesse jackson talked
to us earlier he seemed to believe that
the moral standards of today's society
will eventually affect us in business
how do you feel this will affect us as
youth growing up in the united states
well i think
very difficult to
quantify
moral standards over time i mean that
you know you could you could pick out
huge weaknesses at any given time in
terms of how
people or the country is behaving and
and and huge strengths so i think it's
enormously difficult to quantify
uh i think
by and large we have made
progress in what i would call
institutionalized moral standards
in this country
i mean the the the
uh you know in terms of slavery in terms
of the uh in terms of i mean the women
women couldn't vote you know a century
ago
half the country were second-class
citizens in that respect in a very and
they had much lesser rights in terms of
inheritance and all kinds of things the
income tax
didn't exist
a hundred years ago so the idea of
taxing people according to
to how much that they benefited from
society and their income
uh didn't exist so i think in terms of
institutionalized moral standards
the country has made
really quite significant progress uh
in the in the last hundred years i think
you know there's an enormous distance to
go i think we're going in the right
direction maybe by fits and starts but i
think we're going in the right direction
and i think that
it will be a significant plus to
everybody in this room if they live in a
more moral society 40 years from now
than a less moral but i think the odds
are that they will
i think the country moves in that
direction very difficult to do it all
kinds of interests that
work against it but
uh in the end i think the american
people want it
and you saw it in civil rights i mean it
took television to dramatize what was
going on and
people that weren't near it preferred
not to think about it
but it got through to the conscience of
the american people
and
a lot of progress has been made there
and there's a lot left to be made but
there it's better than it was
and the pace may seem very slow to those
people involved and i can understand
that
uh
the pace you know for women's suffrage i
mean that went
for decades and decades and decades a
woman could be on a jury
i was reading the trial of clarence
darrow
which took place in california about 19
i don't know 10 or 11
you know there were no women on the jury
the woman wasn't allowed to be on a jury
they weren't citizens in that sense so
it's the moral
behavior of the country has in my view
improved but it uh and it'll continue to
improve and i hope you all in this room
do your part to help it improve
i was
wondering how uh since the stock
market's so high right now if it'd be
smart for us to get
to get involved now or to wait until
until it goes down a little or what
yeah i can't tell you whether or not to
buy stocks now generally i think it's
important that you save money you know
and whether whether you put in the stock
market
i don't think is terribly important i
think if you're interested in stocks you
should you should buy it you know and
you've got a little capital you should
buy a few i mean i don't think there's
any way of learning about them better
than experiencing doing it on paper
isn't the same
i can guarantee you if you lose money on
paper or lose real money it's a
different experience and
i think you'll learn more about yourself
if you do it that way i bought my first
stock
when i was 11. i was actually i was at
rose hill at the time and i bought three
shares of city service preferred
at
38 and it went down to 27 which is
something i still remember even though i
was 11 at the time
uh and then it went up to 40 and i sold
it i made five bucks on my three shares
after commissions and then it went to
200 and something so
uh you know i i probably remember that a
little better than if i'd been doing it
on paper you know
and
i fooled around doing a lot of things
between about age 11 and 19 in the stock
market i did charts i did all kinds of
technical analysis i read every book i
could get on the subject
and
i didn't do that well i didn't do
terrible but i did i was really just
floundering around
but by
that meant by the age of 19 when i read
ben graham's book i was at the
university of nebraska in lincoln i went
and bought this book called the
intelligent investor just come out and
it had an enormous impact on me
now if i hadn't done
in the previous eight years if i hadn't
been all over the lot i'm not so sure
that that book would have had the same
impact on me i mean i was by that time i
was prepared
to read ben graham's book which changed
my life financially in an
incredible way i mean i wouldn't be up
here today if i had read that book but
yeah part of life is getting prepared
so that
when something does happen that's
significant you can grasp the
significance of it and know what to do
with it and
i would say that first eight years of
fooling around
even though it produced nothing
financially to speak of
uh produced a lot in terms of getting my
mind prepared for when i really did read
something that made sense so i was ready
to accept it and i actually went back
and
went to columbia to study under the
under graham and because of
reading that book and all kinds of
things flowed out of it so
i would encourage you if you're
interested in the field to do a few
things i'm still trying to make them as
intelligent as possible i would try to
stick with things businesses i thought i
understood i'd still get out that sheet
of paper and i'd write i'm doing this
because
and just test my reasoning then i go
back and read it a year later and and
see whether what you thought would be
true turned out to be true so i would
always check myself i believe in grading
myself on everything you know doctors
have post-mortems and they they do it
because they learn from post-mortems uh
and business people don't like to do
postmortems building plants or buying
companies and they never wanted two
years later to run a check on how that
decision turned out because it it can be
unpleasant
uh but you learn from postmortems
and uh you don't wanna learn it's way
better learn from other people's
mistakes than your own but you got to
learn from a few of your own too and
the time to do it is when you're young
my question is
to what extent do you feel that the
government
with the the current policies of welfare
and social security is it financially
competent and fiscally prepared for the
future
well i
i think that
the country as a whole is quite
quite well prepared for the future that
doesn't mean i'd adopt would adopt every
policy they have but
i think a we have an enormously rich
society enormously rich society and
it'll get richer
uh everyone isn't going to participate
in that some will won't participate
because of physical disabilities others
because of mental disabilities other
because of shortcomings in the education
they receive when they were growing up
all kinds of reasons
we have a prosperous enough society
to be able to take care of
of those people and we should take care
of them and how we do it so that they
feel most useful in life and how we do
it so that we continue to encourage
people to be more productive themselves
and all that i mean those are not easy
questions but
but that shouldn't take our eye off the
ball of feeling we should do something
about it that
um i often i i pose this problem
sometimes to people i say let's assume
that it's 24 hours before you're born
and all of you can take this test 24
hours before you're born
and a genie comes to you
and the genie says
what was your name again out there
uh whatever
we'll call you joe uh
and the genie says joe
says you look pretty promising to me
i think you've got kind of a sense of
fair play and
and a good mind and so i'm going to let
you have an extraordinary opportunity
i'm going to let you design the world
into which you're going to be born in 24
hours
it's yours
you pick out the political rules you
pick out the economic rules you pick out
the social rules you design the world
and when you're born in 24 hours you're
going to be born into that world
and that's the world that's going to
exist for your lifetime
for your children's lifetime for your
grandchildren's lifetime
and you having heard of some of these
genie jokes in the past would say
what's the catch
genie says well it's a very slight catch
i said when when you're born in 24 hours
you're going to emerge in this world you
designed
but what you don't know
is whether you're going to be born
black or white male or female
rich or poor
brighter
able-bodied or infirm
in the united states or afghanistan
all you know
is that you're going to reach into this
barrel which now has six billion balls
as we know representing one person
every person in the world and you're
going to participate in what i call the
ovarian lottery
you're going to take one ball out of
that barrel and you're never going to
get another ball that's you
you're one ball and now you're going to
emerge
now what kind of rules
do you want to have for that society
not knowing which ball you're going to
get
now that i put to you is the way
i think people should think about social
policy and if you're born if you're
lucky enough to be born in this country
you've won the lottery already
but we should have a system in my view
that encourages the jack welch's and the
bill gates's and all of that to work
far beyond the time when it has any
economic significance to them we want
people commanding those resources who
are extremely able to commanding them
that's how that's how the standard of
living moves forward so we should want
you know we should want tom osborne
coaching in nebraska we should want we
should want bill gates designing
software and we don't want to mix up
those two we don't want to we don't we
don't want to get bill coaching in
nebraska uh so
you want you want people who want a
system that directs gets people to their
potential and and puts them
in the position where they can do the
most good for society but you also want
a system for the people get the wrong
ball i mean somebody's going to get the
ball
you know that says 80 iq somebody's
going to get the ball
that says this disease or that disease
early in life that cripples them and
we've got a rich enough society
that we can we can take care of those
people and i think that to get back to
your question i think that this society
will move more and more in that
direction it has the capability of
moving more and more in that direction
as our resources
and our output increases and i think
that
it has the will to do that in a general
way although like i say there have
always been lots of fits and starts so
there is no shortage
in the united states of resources
there's no shortage of output
you have to have a system that
encourages people
to behave to the limit of their
abilities and puts them in the right
place but then you have to make sure
that everybody gets taken care of too
and i wanted to know how you think the
media affects the world economically
today well it's a small question
uh
well what it obviously does simply
because it's it's moved so far
technologically
is it's brought it together in a big way
i mean i was over in china a few years
ago and i was right after the time of
the women's conference in
in uh in beijing
and i was reading
the chinese
coverage
uh
of that conference and and of course it
it had nothing to do with what was
taking place but the internet was coming
in and and
you know you can
you can access the washington post or
the new york times or i get the
washington post at 9 30 here at night in
effect i never could get it the next day
on on through through uh physical
delivery but i buy electronic delivery i
can read it
uh you know
probably earlier than most the people in
washington are reading it so
the
ability to communicate
and the degree to which the world can
have awareness of what's going on every
place in the world it's just
you know it's been a quantum leap and
you know that will have there are a lot
of things that come out of that and uh
uh
net they're a plus over time but the
they i mean they the
the ability of information to be
available to everyone worldwide almost
instant instantaneously it's it's it's a
can be huge advances in things like
medicine for example just to pick one uh
so
it's a net plus it has a
it has a big effect and
the definition of media has now been
expanded
enormously i mean there were three
television networks in
in the 19 and you know in the early
1960s and that was it there were three
highways information traveled
electronically
and
if the three pieces of information where
i love lucy you know something else and
something else those were the three
choices of information or entertainment
that you had
for tens and tens of millions of people
sitting there looking at a tube
now it's unlimited and that's only what
three or so decades so it's just
exploded and it'll continue to explode
and net i think it's a plus
and i think it's one o'clock i want to
thank you all i i wish you well you're
going to do terrific thanks
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