May 21, 2024

COVID-18: Impact on sport, health and exercise

Published June 12, 2023, 3:20 p.m. by Jerald Waisoki

An inline discussion between myself (Dr Dan Gordon), Dr Anna Stodter and Dr Francesca Cavallerio all from the Centre for sport & exercise Sciences at Anglia Ruskin University, Cambridge UK

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okay good afternoon everybody and

welcome to this I think quite unique

event it's the first time we've run one

of these online through this kind of

digital platform we've done plenty of

these in the past face to face this is

quite a unique experience and I think

that's a phrase that we hear a lot at

the moment it is a unique experience and

we talked about the fact that it is

unprecedented and these are

unprecedented times and we are from the

School of Psychology and sports science

and within that we have expertise in the

fields of exercise physiology nutrition

psychology coaching and so on and clear

one of the things that is at the heart

of the government's strategy is the need

for us to stay at home and stay safe but

also that recommendation that we've got

to find some way to to have a sensor

normality and also to be able to do some

form of hopefully physical activity

throughout the day so in the in the next

35 to 40 minutes we're going to have a

discussion between myself and I'm dr.

Dan Gordon and I am the course they

deferred BSC in Sport and Exercise

Science anglia ruskin and I'll let my my

two colleagues introduce themselves and

we'll start next with with with Anna hi

I'm doctor nurse doctor I'm the course

new Promaster since we're an exercise

but also a master's in sports coaching

and see how my research areas about

coaching and coaches learning so to add

some perspective on that I'm Frank hi my

name is Francesca Cavanaugh do and

caused immediate for weather Beasley

what's going MP and I'm monochrome

expertise is full psychology so I think

together the three of us or that life

have quite a good thinkin this whole

situation we certainly hope that we do

we certainly hope that this is quite an

invigorating discussion now in terms of

the way we'd like to work is because of

issues of band width in everybody

everybody turn access stuff we would ask


in the audience apart from us three key

chiral cameras microphones off if any

time you want to ask a question please

you that use the chat function which you

can see up in the banner in your screen

and type the question in we'll do our

best to respond either as we go along or

towards the end of the of the discussion

feel free as I say to ask questions at

any at any point so without further ado

we're going to set a little bit at the

scene for you so prior to Coby 19

arriving we've got a plethora of

statistics in the UK about the levels of

physical activity that we we were

experienced an undertaking and one of

the things that we know is that it's

about one in four women about one in

five men in England a class has been

physically inactive so that is you can

see on the infographic here that's less

than 30 minutes of moderate physical

activity per week and that's quite an

astonishing figure if you think how hard

is it to do this in 30 minutes of

moderate physical activity per week bear

that in mind in terms of the government

recommendations the recommendation is

that we all try and do at least an hour

of physical activity per day during this

period of of of lockdown if we move

further in the two values I'd like you

to focus on here because these are

really where we're going to be talking

today is that one in three of the UK

population in the working age have a

health condition and one of the things

that we recognize with coded 19 that

there are these at-risk groups and

they're people generally the individuals

who've got the underlying symptoms who

are more risk doesn't mean that those

those symptoms can't Catco be 19 and cut

in fact unfortunate died from Kobe 90

but that they are more at risk and

secondly one in six again sees prior to

the lockdown one in six adults will it

experience a common mental health

disorder in the past week prior to this

kind of survey being undertaken so these

are quite startling figures and if you

bear in mind now you take the top figure

you think about the the way that Kobe 90

seems to work in the way that the

population seems to impact and take the

second figure which is the one in six

you think about the fact that we're now

in a state of lockdown where we have got

a socialized of isolation going on for

many people and you think about the

potential impact on people's mental

health and general well-being very

briefly if we just look at health in the

UK so this is spring 2014 since this is

fairly recent Daedric takes a long time

to compile this kind of data you can

just kind of see what's based on the

body mass index the body mass index

issues is that kind of global indicator

of fatness in an obesity and you can see

where the hotspots are in the UK now

it's worth lining these up with with

where the current data shows us for the

high incidences of Kovach 19 and it's

quite interesting I mean there are

clearly many other factors of play here

but there are clearly quite high links

with where we've got populations who are

expressing conditions of morbid obesity

and and associated conditions with

coronavirus in the UK having said that

there are other things that we know that

a fundamentally playing a part here such

as general demographics such as

sociological issues such as finances and

so on and so forth

additionally what we also know is if we

look at children and we talk about

children not being picky an at-risk

population group but actually in many

ways they're an at-risk population group

generally for health in the UK so 20% of

children are considered now to be

overweight or obese we know that the

children are doing very very little

physical activity in the UK and you can

just see from the figures on it on the

infographic here how those those values

actually look for the for the general

population and then finally in terms of

just setting the scene we know that

younger generations are really starting

to become more obese at earlier ages and

I think this is this is an important

point perhaps where our discussion ends

potentially today is the messy

came out from government yesterday was

absolutely that we may have to accept


Kobe 19 he's going to be with us with

quite a long time and it is certainly

possible that these younger age groups

now are actually going to be

experiencing Kovach 19 and certainly

until we are able to get a vaccine it

may be that Kobe 19 merges and they

actually come more at risk in themselves

as as population groups so that is kind

of set the scene a little bit I hope

just a kind of established little

benchmark of where we are going to go

with this so that been the case I'm

gonna talk and set the conversation off

and restart with Fran and what

fascinates me a little bit about about

this is that we we are putting people

into a situation which is incredibly

unique we're taking them away from a

kind of day-to-day environment and work

with we're socially isolating them so

from your perspective as someone who

comes from a background in terms of

psychology and Sport and Exercise

Science could you talk to us a little

bit about what the potential impacts of

this are going to be on people's health

and well-being I think oh we seem to

have lost oh don't count on Fran we lost

you for a moment you know yes we can't

okay so I say that and unfortunately I

think everybody has seen titles and

newspapers I mean using general from

from actually from the sanitization on

mental health so if there are already

these situations of mental health astir

the shootings actually look the most

highly issues mental onin these

fundamental issues in the

oh ma like what is needed now yeah we're

starting to hear you Fran so what we'll

do is well Frank kind of sorts out

perhaps a little Wi-Fi in it I'm gonna

change the conversation very quickly to

a Noir Franklin sorts out what do you

think Anna rates under the impacts are

on on elite athletes which is a

population but we don't really think

about at the moment

in terms of them being able to do in

terms of the weight we're going to have

to the way coaching is having to change

for certainly the elite athletes well

this was we think of elite athletes the

thing that first comes to mind as the

Olympics which was meant to be happening

this this are obviously that's been

moved to next summer

and that has a really big impact on

programming and training so for years

obviously and coaches and all those

support systems that Guerrero's athletes

they really work for year cycles so they

all planned out four year cycles well

ahead of time to do with all of the

activities that they're they're making

their athletes do they're supporting

them though have to be quite a lot of

imagine quite frantic re-planning of

these athletes or training programs and

trying to adapt so coaches are gonna

have to be really adaptive to work out

how can we get these athletes to still

maintain and hopefully improve their

skills and other areas that are going to

help them to perform all the while

maintaining those kind of social

distancing guidelines that we all have

to adhere to so athletes are no

different they're normal people as well

albeit pretty extraordinary people

but there's there seem to be been moved

towards supporting athletes online so as

coach myself using a lot of technology

like this exhume and other kind of

videos saying up sort of video clips and

sneaking little tasks that athletes can

do that seems to be a big big shift in

that direction and people have probably

seen this these shared online as well

lots of Olympic athletes sharing their

own ideas for workouts and moving

records more into regards

and of course looking at the e side of

it durricks and this PE beauty with Jill

which is kind of more like a fitness

instructing rather than sort of actually

helping two people to improve and it can

have some issues with the actual month

remembering to have education in there

so PE stands for physical education

obviously and we might be starting to

lose a bit of that educative in the

experience so I think similar goes with

coaching it just goes to show how

important actually educating and helping

people to improve is and that's can be a

bit of a struggle to get that across

when it's just sort of been doing stuff

and being out there for people to take

on board unproblematically so that's

kind of just a first first thoughts on

how things might change a little bit for

coaching and P wonderful I think

actually I mean front of you back with

us now I hope so yeah good and if I can

just come back to the point animate I

think that's a really important point

which is the the notion of physical

education I think it's all very well

being physical which i think is what a

lot of going on is going on is actually

it's kind of the education sight so

could you talk a little bit too it's

about kind of that part that we are

potentially missing at the moment with

these these these kind of classes that

are being offered

I mean C's no there's nothing against

what J weeks is on the tall I enjoy

extraordinary stuff but in terms of kind

of as you say the physical education

that we have potentially missing out on

at the moment as teachers honor our

lecturers on our courses we teach the

coaching process and like the teaching

process as just that a process which

involves having a mental model of what

movements you're looking for and being

able to analyze what you're seeing in

front of you and create an environment

where the athlete or the participant can

can do those and helping them to do

better at those things and that would be

tailored towards the individual ideally

so if you are just putting across a

video that like it's kind of one side

you're not

that feedback and you're not getting

that kind of interaction that's really

central to the edges of process and

that's similar for a PT change but also

a sports coaching so although Joe X has

got 50 million views in five days and P

which all which is great because getting

people active and I guess that's the

main the main thing sometimes you will

forget to think about basic things like

the education also safety so I've also

seen some pretty worrying fails fails

and Pullman workouts during covering 19

videos on social media so okay so this

is very interesting so I'm liking this

this is this is becoming a little bit

free-flowing so this is kind of an open

questions perhaps both of you which is

come in which is how can these these

issues be overcome when when we're

teaching in essence virtually or remote

teaching because Fran you you you you're

a coach as well and also a judge in

gymnastics and coaches I mean you this

is your background so no pressure how do

you think we can overcome these these

barriers well I mean I guess maybe I'm

gonna draw more on my experiences

Pilates instructor mainly because I

start efficiency like us online again

just for friends during Kobe 19 I wanted

my parents to move so that was away and

I used a few doctors when I was leaving

he needs only so few people together and

yes everything on I just said it makes

absolute sense because working with

people I used to work with and I used to

be in the same space that they marine I

used to be able to correct them and go

and look at their positions their

alignment and everything it feels very

different because I can't do any of that

I mean even when I'm doing the Blessed

are like they are like small squares on

my screen so there is no chance for me

to do that so the only thing there's two

things I've been focusing on one is what

Ana was mentioned in safety so before I

start I really try to like make sure in

the lattice alignment is fundamental so

I tell them which props to use to make

sure we're there

needs to be so try to give like cues in

terms of that position so that I I know

that if I tell them okay so when you're

lying on the ground your eyes need to be

like looking up perpendicular to the

ceiling I know what that means in terms

of head position but at least I'm giving

them a feedback that's a bit more

straight forward and then I can say if

that's not the case and you can use a

book or something like tell them to put

on their head which I would do in the

class but obviously in class you can

also check and so that's also why I'm

just having people I know and I work

with before basically like because I

don't want to

I have other issues and then the other

thing is really be descriptive as much

as possible so I try I talk a lot in

those sessions more than I would have

done when we were in the same space

because you need to really give them the

feeling trying to describe so how do you

want to feel your shoulders well so I

try to give as many kids as possible to

be said is well this was what I was

stopped when I was doing my class

training certification so it's not new

again I think these are all any teacher

in any coach we are used to describe

things and make sure that we can mainly

communicate them in different ways but

at the same time mmm I think we just

need to pay more it's an even more

attention now because we don't have

other feedback that I'd add to that like

as we teach on our courses and if we're

looking at coaching or teaching as like

a pedagogical process so something

that's linked to learning we're trying

to get people to learn those movements

trying to get to learn to be better at

those things then you're starting to

think of what are you expecting those

people in the other end of the camera to

be doing rather than just thinking like

what am I putting across as a coach or

as a teacher it should be more about

like what can you do to make them learn

so you're kind of creating an

environment even though it's remote and

where they can still improve and also UK

coaching I've come up with some

guidelines on different tips to help you

- of course remotely and it's kind of

just thinking just things you can say

they're like an interpersonal side and

just like inclusivity

well obviously different people are set

up in different ways they have different

abilities to connect online them

different facilities to use so I guess

it's about being thoughtful about

different things ways that you can still

help people to improve and do so safely

it's really interesting one of the

things that it's actually because before

that the points has just been made in

the chat room which is about asking

questions can be can be incredibly

helpful one of the things that occurs to

me in terms of it the way this has

changed the approach we've got to take

is it reminds me very much about the way

that we perhaps coach and work with

certain groups of Paralympic athletes

take for example the blind and visually

impaired that in those in those groups

you've got a group of individuals who

cannot really see what what you're doing

and you don't really have that kind of

community bless you that community kid

kind of dialogue and actually you find

that although the the actions they're

actually being undertaken are exactly

the same the way it is coached is quite

different and I wonder actually on that

so I'm again for both of you and also

for anybody in the audience really I

suppose that can you see potential


oddly coming from this in terms of let's

for the moment stick with the kind of

the coaching and a physical education in

terms of the way perhaps it we have to

adapt us as teachers and maybe even

learn this leave that one to transit

answer and see what I can do ah I'm

mining when you say beats because I come

from really lots of space to its

athletes to get feedback and ask

questions so I am hoping that's that's

my hope that maybe coaches might learn a

different way of doing this and then

maybe things in ways that they develop

during this time can be then adapted and

actually brought back into a

face-to-face situation

that's what unlike that would be a

really cause

devout comfort for gymnastics I think

but then having said these I'm wondering

if you think of this session for example

in order to be able to talk and make

sure that everybody can hear properly

when you end up having to mute the other

people and I know that in the online

classes I've been doing that's happening

mainly because otherwise like listen oh

we have two others what's your arm is

now recording me for not actually yes so

we're kind of getting into this

discussion about the potential positives

that have come from from this as a as a

as a process you know actually is this

something that we can take away from

this it may actually benefit us in terms

of as coaches and and PE teachers yeah

well I think we've already kind of

discussed some ways to get around some

of the challenges but I think for

coaches or a PE teacher is nice kind of

a good time to like make the most of the

opportunity of not having to engage like

regularly with with athletes so for

coaches and others loads of webinars

professional development kind of

opportunities going on and it's a really

good chance to sort of connect with

other coaches and learn from those

experiences but also like often as a

coach if there's any other cookies here

you might in the middle of a season be

thinking I wish I had time to think

about this little detail or I really

interested in finding out more about

this problem that this athlete has a

can't we're going to start out so those

are really good opportunities so you

kind of invest in yourself as a coach

and your own professional development

and so I would say that okay now this is

a great question that that's kind of

absolutely brilliant question for all of

us thing but see for you guys do you

believe that the quarantine will

actually cause more creativity for

people to be physically active so not

just coaching but generally in terms of

physical activity I don't know maybe

people will try more I mean I don't know

if this means that

I think normal people maybe not maybe

they will just explore different things

that might be offered well for athletes

at least would have been seen like

Instagram and other like social networks

maybe maybe applets are being pushed to

be more creative because I mean the

other day I was seeing somebody like a

swimmer and she was absolutely happy

because she managed to get like a big

swimming pool like outside and she she

was winning with like wire that kept

pulling her back and she was absolutely

so happy that I think he will teach us

that we can be a bit more flexible and I

think for high performance 14

specifically it might be a really good

learning experience because often in

high performance sport we have very set

ideas of how things need to be how

training needs to be and freeze again

possible positivity out of these because

people who have to do these at least

more professionally will be pushed to be

a bit more creative I think either then

or that coaches might depend on the age

on the level but yes what's initially

Kompany I was just gonna add so just to

add to your statistics and influence

over that start done Sport England have

also published some data that they've

managed to engage someone to collect

since coronavirus and they said that

two-thirds of people in the UK believes

that like exercise is more helpful now

it's more important to be active now

than compared to before for an advice so

people are actually starting to value it

more so perhaps you're right perhaps

they will become a little bit more

creative in maybe you in defending the


almost to see what they can get yeah I

like to me I think that's one of the

real positives isn't it that's

potentially potentially going to come

from this which is I think leading in

there's clearly those statistics are

showing that we as a society we didn't

really value exercise despite the

message about the the benefits of being

physically active

both in terms of physical health mental

health the statistics are pretty stark

but actually now because we are

quarantined it is that one opportunity

that people are taking to get out of the

house and even if it is walking the dog

even if it is walking around the block

people are being physically active and I

think it's about doing something is

better than doing nothing you know and I

think I think that's the the real

benefit that we've got here now that

brings us back to where we were starting

Fran until we kind of lost you at the

beginning because we at the moment we've

really focused on coaching we focus on

on physical education but can you talk

to us a little bit about the kind of the

negative consequences in terms of of

well-being at the moment in terms of

this kind of social isolation we're

going through I might start hopefully

something's gonna work in the chat who

says like the older members of the

community particular seems to be going

up more for their daily exercise and yes

it seems like in general people aren't

just really making the most out of this

time outside the daily exercise the

daily time outside which probably before

we took for granted and to relay these

to mental health I am Italian and

obviously in Italy the lockdown is very

different first they've been in lockdown

for six weeks now so they are very crazy

but then if not just lockdown they don't

have the daily exercise they don't they

don't have the time outside they are

only allowed 200 meters outside of the

place where they leave and that's it and

I've heard about people being fined

heavily for being 500 meters from where

they leave and so I can see that's

partly why at least they wanted to offer

some exercise in some way because I

could see how people like talking to

them we have to reach their mood was

changed and and so when we look at the

news we see that they say that they are

predicting unfortunately higher rates of

depression of excellent they

actually saying that at the moment

anxiety is obviously as expected smoking

uh and then they are also expecting

higher rates of depression and suicide

after whenever the after is going to be

because of also because of the

consequences of these obviously

isolation we know that like people in

isolation if you think of people living

on their own

it again and three skate loneliness and

depression and and so unfortunately

there are obviously a lot negative

consequent negative potential

consequences of this situation but but

then at the same time it feels like the

Reese's chance for it would take

learning I think somebody said this in

the comments like there's a chance for

us to learn something and potentially

bring it forward so these idea that

people are now valuing all the time

outside just taking a walk taking a guy

going out and with the dogs everybody

wants to buy a dog yes yes I mean it is

true that mental health and physical

activity can really go together in a

constructive way in this moment and

potentially we know that physical

activity in normal times to know that

situation we not that home register from

research that physical activity and

exercise help like a moderate level of

exercise so what normally suggested

helps to decrease anxiety levels so

that's why it's even more important now

that we can do that walk or that session

online and everything and yes like the

data that Anna was mentioning before

from Sport England they actually say

that the majority of people like sort of

sixty seven percent so that had been

like part of the survey they believe

exercise it's helping them with their

mental health during the break but it

makes sense like if you just go for a

walk and I mean I've never seen such a

great weather in the UK by the wrong

I think there's a really important point

there Fran and I think it it links many

many ways so the conversation we're

having earlier without or with what

you're just saying so from what you're

saying is it's actually this kind of

moderate intensity of exercise that

seems to be the most beneficial

particularly on out on our mental health

and it seems to be beneficial in terms

of at the section of mood states which

is obviously and measure that we we talk

about an exercise silenced but

interestingly and like both your takes

on this is that one of the things we

also know is that moderate intensity of

exercise is actually associated with

increasing our ability to fight

infections now I'm not saying that

that's going to fight

Kovach nineteen but the flipside that we

understand these actually if we do

extremes of exercise as we see in elite

populations though actually that leads

to becoming immune suppressed and so I

wonder what your thoughts are because

III only this to you but um I wonder

actually whether elite athletes are more

likely to be susceptible to something

like Co V ninety I don't think we very

thought of them as as an at-risk

population but because they are pushing

themselves that hard they've got that

potential to be already immune so

presently I don't what your your your

thoughts on that with how you think that

fits that that kind of money there's a

really interesting yeah it really

interesting point I think from

experience of being an early athlete in

the past like knowing that when I was

pushing myself that my hardest and like

competing at the highest level I was

also the most stressed and most likely

to get injured so yeah it's kind of all

sort of linked together so possibly and

so maybe again something for coaches to

consider in their periodization and

their planning like what are they

actually asking athletes to do and is

that realistic given constraints because

at the end of it like you yeah you can

aim to enhance performance but surely

it's more important to be happy and


very much very much

Fran you got it yes I mean I think

really good point



well I was thinking maybe like relates

to what Anna was saying I'm wondering

I'm thinking of the athletes who were

preparing for the Olympics and I wonder

like it is like the coach role will be

really important right now because why

did they are pushing and I don't know I

think that's where you really need the

guidance of somebody who reviews the

realisation of training in correct way

and he's able to tell you okay but

because one thing that for me is

fundamental it like rest is part of

training yeah you put too many people

often forget that and so this is an

important time potential your sort of

rest and the high levels of stress the

more we need to take care of ourself and

it's like if you if you are stressed if

you're anxious and then you stress your

body like just like Anna said we know

again from really from research that

that's when injuries are more likely to

happen and also we're in a moment where

if you get injured it's even more

difficult to get support Amina I had an

neck and I was desperate

normally we're lucky I can just go to my

colleague but I couldn't because I was

like at all

and so it's like I think also because we

need to take it to just think about a

support system that's normally there

around so if that's not so easy to get

to it's really important to almost like

keep them a little bit like stop them a

little bit so that they they might not

be stressed because oh my god I need to

make you Olympic next year so then I

need to be super trained so I will use

this time to super train myself and then

you actually over train

yeah and to me there is a real a real

quite incase of that night I agree with

everything I was saying you know when I

competed in the distant past but you

know I it was the most stressful thing

I've ever done and you know you feel all

those kind of symptoms that we that Fran

was really kind of highlights and in

terms of what the general populace are

potentially starting to experience the

anxiety the potential depression all of

those and at the same time you are

consciously aware that what you're doing

is you are deliberately fatiguing

yourself because you're trying to get

the biggest biological gains that you

can and I think Fran made such a

wonderful point which is something that

we we hammer home to our third year

sports scientists all the time and we

say if you don't remember anything else

remember this which is the purpose of

training is to stimulate growth but that

growth only occurs during periods of

rest and recovery and the rest of

recovery is is is is fundamental but if

you are actually stressed or you're

anxious that recovery is nowhere near as

beneficial as it as it perhaps should be

I'm conscious of time so I think we're

gonna start to move towards at the

conclusion but where I'd like to go with

with my esteemed colleagues a little bit

is let's let's crystal ball gazing bit

if we can so we've kind of talked about

what is happening now we've looked a

little bit of perhaps what the future

holds in terms of of coaching and

physical education what would you what

would you kind of take-home messages be

now you know we've got a population here

who are clearly hopefully interested in

this as a topic I mean what would you as

experienced practitioners be

recommending in terms of physical

activity for say the general population

and also for people who are trained and

also perhaps even for coaches I think

I think it's about really paying

attention to what makes us feel good so

because again if people are trying

different things and maybe trying to

class online it might be just pushing

because they're being told to do that

but it might not feel good so another

thing that's been encouraged more and

more these days is a way to a little

better face the whole situation is

mindfulness and like so mindfulness in

terms of meditation but I think

mindfulness just like in terms of being

learning ourselves how we feel and

because so many people who might be so

used to a lot of physical activity are

suddenly engaging and and are following

others who are teaching they don't have

the usual support so means like you know

what you enjoy but also pay attention to

how you feel okay to stop if you want

and just don't don't just copy what

doesn't it screening by thankful just a

little bit of myself I'd say I key

messages for athletes or coaches of

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about why you're doing this or like ye

training and what sort of other things

could you be doing instead so rath least

they could use this time to work on like

smaller scales like I know in my own

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the ear you're trying to get better at

or even like social or cultural things

that you want to enhance in your stroke

training group or your team and coaches

like you see opportunity to think about

how you can develop your own coaching

and develop yourself

okay lovely so thanks for that guys um

so everybody else I mean if you've got

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having said that I've done actually look

a question is appeared miraculously so

how is locked out or guys gone real

quick bear with me so how is lockdown

affecting sports teams just wondering

after lockdown how they get the teamwork

back again clear strong win many tons I

think it is clear strong with such good

attendance of all all activities

definitely yeah I think that one then I

think although some of these like social

media challenges are kind of annoying

I'm sure we've all seen them but I think

maybe teams coming up with their own set

of challenges that they can share for

example see my coach we have split into

fitness groups with particular sort of

senior players as leaders of those

groups and and they're collecting points

for different challenges and they share

on like what's that groups of different

things they've been up to and even just

that kind of

spectrum sharing all the training can be

a good sort of social teamwork aspect

back they could even use things like

huddle from census software and that we

use in our courses perhaps to review

previous games and sort of analyze

different for team-based aspects of

things like tactics for example we

haven't done that yet but I'm just kind

of thought of that on the fly so make me

so there's most different things and I

think it links back to some other points

that we were earlier likes just being

creative I dread to think what we

probably recorded actually what is

interesting actually is and I was

mentioning I think it's the sports


survey we've just finished a survey

which which has gone online and it's

only been out we only had four I think

just under two weeks we had over 300

responders to the survey and actually

what was fascinating to look and I've

only done a very very cursory look at

this because of this online discussion

today was the really the comments that

both Fran and Anna was saying really

seem to be becoming out from the cursory

look at the data which is how much

people are suddenly valuing just it's

it's almost like now this is the holy

grace the nectar that being able to get

out of house being able to do something

it really seems to be instilled in this

population it's a very widespread

population that we've samples that just

the sheer benefits of being physically

active I think for me the issue that we

face and I'd be interested to know if

anybody's got an opinion in the audience

or honor and and Franek got an opinion

on this is at the the message is really

easy at the moment the government

message is really simple stay home stay

safe do you want our day physical

activity it's great we've clearly had a

problem with the messaging before coded

19 we've got low take-up rates in terms

of sport of physical activity

how do we how do you think that perhaps


galvanize this and actually can we use

this now to drive home the message about

benefits and physical activity and

health because it seems to be an impetus

like our audience may have some good


yeah that's what I'm hoping I'm hoping

that we can get a little bit of audience

participation here apart from doing

Pilates with Frank yes oh great I became

for that actually yeah I think that

maybe the gay thing but more people may

joint fitness clubs I also wonder

whether it's changing the way that we

work in relation to our social

interaction with people I think we're

going to start to value neighbors more

and I think we're going to start to

value not just joining clubs and

societies but actually just going out

for a walk or exercising with people in

our village our town and so on I wonder

whether that's going to kind of come

from this you know I don't know I just I

my concern is at the moment is that

we've got a population who seem to be

wanting to exercise because they've got

nothing else to do how do we keep that

momentum in moderate physical activity

that was quite a good question I missed

that completely yes no it's interesting

cuz that's the bit that friends lament

out I'm gonna come back to Frank cuz I'm

just gonna throw friend downstairs and

some but you mentioned moderate what was

your definition of moderate kind of ties

up with the physiology you actually it

was like I think Dan should answer these

because because the definition of

moderate exercise even in the papers

that have indicative exercise and

anxiety actually like related to the

physiological so it's not a different

with Nona or die's feel it's moderate

not a psychologic office like this is my

perception ethological one so if you

want to go with a physiologic

okay so a kind of physiological

definition of moderate-intensity

exercise really would be anything we

would class anything from above a inter

from what I would say is a brisk walk

so not just a stroll a brisk walk really

up to anything where you are jogging

stroke running but you can still hold a

conversation if you have moved to that

point where you're struggling to hold a

conversation with somebody then you've

moved away from what we would call

moderate exercise and if you want a

physiological kind of explanation then

your heart rate if you are measuring

your heart rate with anywhere between

anywhere between 130 beats maybe 160

beats per minute and that's actually

what weird classes moderate-intensity in

HS say moderate is when you can miss

that it's gone really quick bear with me

the energies moderates when you can

still talk yep but not sings I think

this thing yeah so you know it's it's

pretty much so there needs to be a wider

change looking at physical activity when

at work yeah and I think that's a

fundamentally important point mañana's

made the point today I think you are

you're still standing at the moment yes

yeah you know and we yeah there you go

standing desks are a big thing it's

trying to find the issue of somebody

mentioned earlier on about you recognize

how much time we spend sitting down and

I I have a funny feeling that this

pandemic is really highlighted that for

a lot of people that you suddenly

realize I think when you're at work you

don't realize how long you're sitting

down but I think now I think people are

starting to observe actually amount of

sitting time that we've got and if you

come back to that that data set right at

the beginning where I said people doing

less than 30 minutes of physical

activity a week and you suddenly think

well gosh how much time are they

spending sitting and just like another

words being wholly inactive and I think

that's the that's the key it's finding

ways to get people moving particularly

at work with such as we have such

sedentary jobs I think and I think it's

trying to get people to do stuff at work

I've seen some you know inventions where

they've had for example pedals put on

the desks of a primary school so the

children can be sitting and just

peddling to make them do some kind of

exercise so you know it's quite

fascinating yes I hit this is from

Richard so AR you released a research

while ago stating that death jobs can

take ten years from your life yeah which

is I mean that is really scary right and

any absolutely is and I think you could

couple that with what we we haven't even

taken into account with that is things

like if you if you look at your posture

when you're using computers and I know

this is deviating very much away from

where we started but but we haven't even

looked at that kind of outcome in terms

of the longevity in terms of actually

the amount of people are going to have

serious kind of joints and health

complaints as a result of it okay so yes

I agree I mean I think it's fascinating

actually I mean if you look at some of

the big the big US companies like

Facebook Google and the like they can

afford to do it one would argue but they

are very much have this kind of

mindfulness and and and well-being at

the heart of their their environments

where their start for working you know

that for example I I have a funny

feeling it might be good but I think I

might be wrong but one of them has

banned for example telephones on

people's desks and you have to you have

to walk up the stairs to go to an old

phone booth to make a phone call to get

people to to get people to to walk and I

think it's it's things like that it's

incentive izing exercise and I think

that's kind of where we are okay on that

notice I'm very conscious that Frank has

to disappear I think to go to a another

online meeting so can I take the

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