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>> FROM THE HEART OF WHERE INNOVATION, MONEY, POWER
COLLIDE IN SILICON VALLEY AND BEYOND THIS IS BLOOMBERG
TECHNOLOGY WITH CAROLINE HYDE AND ED LUDLOW .
>> I AM SCARLET FU IN FOR CAROLINE HYDE AT BLOOMBERG
WORLD HEADQUARTERS IN YORK.
>> I AM ALEX IN FOR ED LUDLOW IN SYMPHYSIS GO THIS IS
"BLOOMBERG TECHNOLOGY."
>> THE BLOWOUT FORECASTED SPARKS AN AI RALLY, WE WILL
BREAK DOWN RESULTS AND HOW TO TRADE THE AI RALLY.
>> AS A CATASTROPHIC DEFAULT LOOMS WE WILL BE TO ONE VETERAN
WHO JOINED CEO'S IN WRITING A LETTER TO CONGRESS ON A CONCERN
ON THE MATTER.
>> WE WILL DISCUSS WHY IT IS ACQUIRING DESKTOP METAL WITH
ITS CEO, ALL THAT MORE COMING UP.
WE WANT TO GET YOU A CHECK ON THE MARKETS ON MIDDAY ON THIS
THURSDAY.
S&P 500 MOVING HIGHER BY .5%, ALL THINGS TO TECHNOLOGY.
LOOK AT THE PHILADELPHIA SEMICONDUCTOR INDEX HIGHER BY
ALMOST 6% THINK TO NVIDIA BETTER THAN EXPECTED SALES
FORECAST. IT IS NOT AS IF ALL CHIPMAKERS ARE RISING, WE HAVE
WEAKNESS IN INTEL AND ANALOG DEVICES AS WELL, THERE IS A LOT
OF ANGST OVER THE DEBT CEILING HOW LITTLE PROGRESS THERE SEEMS
TO BE AS WE GET CLOSER TO JUNE 1, THE YIELD ON THE TWO-YEAR
RING UP ON SEVEN BASIS POINTS COME THE 10TH STRAIGHT DAY
YIELDS HAVE MOVED UP REFLECTING A PERSISTENT DECLINE IN DEMAND
FOR THAT SECURITY. FITCH PUT THE U.S.
ON CREDIT WATCH FOR A POSSIBLE DOWNGRADE ALTHOUGH IT SAYS IT
EXPECT A DEAL AT THE LAST MINUTE.
MARKETS ARE PRICING IN INCREASED ODDS THE FEDERAL
RESERVE WILL RAISE INTEREST RATES AT THE NEXT TWO MEETINGS.
THE GDP REPORT SHOWED A FASTER RATE OF GROWTH THAN WHAT HAD
BEEN PREVIOUSLY ESTIMATED, WITH THE U.S.
DOLLAR STRENGTHENING LET'S CHECKUP -- CHECK THE BOARDS.
COMMODITIES ARE LOWER, LIKE NEW
YORK CRUDE, WTI OFF BY 4% ON THE MOMENT, SNAPPING A THREE
DAY ADVANCE. SAUDI ARABIA SAME PEOPLE
SHORTING THE ORAL MARKET SHOULD -- OIL MARKET SHOULD WATCH OUT,
RUSSIA SAID IT IS UNLIKELY OPEC AND ITS PARTNERS WILL BE
CUTTING PRODUCTION IN THE NEAR-TERM.
GOLD FUTURES ARE DOWN, 9/10 OF A PERCENT, WAS READING ONE
ANALYSTS SAID,. WHEN INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS
LOOK FOR SOMEWHERE TO HIDE OUT THEY GO TO GOLD, WHEN
INDIVIDUAL INVESTORS LOOK TO HIDE OUT THEY GO TO THE GOING.
IT IS -- BITCOIN. IT IS AN INTERESTING
EXPLANATION. ALEX: I WANT TO BRING YOU TO SOME OF
THE RED ON THE DAY SNOWFLAKE TAKING ITS BIGGEST PLUNGE IN
OVER A YEAR. REPORTING A DISAPPOINTING SALES
OUTLOOK FOR THE CURRENT QUARTER THE SOFTWARE COMPANY IS KNOWN
FOR CHARGING CUSTOMERS ON A PAY-AS-YOU-GO MODEL.
IT SAYS THE UNCERTAIN ECONOMIC CONDITIONS HAVE CLIENT SLOWING
DOWN AND USING THE PRODUCTS. LET'S MOVE ON THE GREEN, DISH
IS IN TALKS TO SELL HIS NEW MOBILE PHONE SERVICE THROUGH
AMAZON. THEY USE AMAZON CLOUD TO USE --
RUN CORE ELEMENTS OF THE 5G CLOUD, THIS WOULD GIVE THEM
ACCESS TO AMAZON'S MILLIONS OF CUSTOMERS.
ONTO SOME OF THE BIGGER MOVERS OF THE DAY MICROSOFT TRADING AT
A 16 MONTH HIGH, INVESTORS ON THE HUNT FOR THE NEXT AI TRADE.
WE TALK ABOUT SAFE HAVENS AND THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN ON AN --
OUT FRONT ON THE AI TRADE, NOT NEW NEWS MICROSOFT HAS BEEN OUT
FRONT IN AI, BIGGEST STAKEHOLDER IN OPEN AI AND
BRINGING ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE TO ITS CLOUD
OFFERINGS AND SOFTWARE. WHAT IS GIVING IT A LITTLE BIT
OF A LOOK IS A HALO EFFECT ON THE TOP STOCK I AM WATCHING
TODAY. I WILL TAKE US TO NOW LET'S GO
TO NVIDIA. EVERYONE LOOK OVER THE NEXT AI
TRADE THIS IS WHY, NVIDIA UP A ROBBING 27% AT RECORD HIGH
LEVELS AND FLIRTING WITH THAT BIG STICKER $1 TRILLION
VALUATION. THE CHIPMAKER REPORTED A
REVENUE FORECAST THAT SURPRISED THE MOST BULLISH OF ANALYST ON
THE SALES OF ITS PROCESSES USED IN AI TECHNOLOGY.
SELLING TO CUSTOMERS LIKE
MICROSOFT AND OUT -- ALPHABET, THEY CALLED THIS THE GREATEST
BEAT OF ALL-TIME OF ANY EARNINGS REPORT THEY HAVE SEEN,
THE STOCK COULD BE BENEFITING FROM THAT SAFE HAVEN EFFECT WE
HAVE SEEN IN TECH STOCKS LATELY. WE WILL DIG INTO THAT SHORTLY.
FIRST I WANT TO GET MORE ON NVIDIA AND THE AI DEMAND THAT
HAS BEEN MOVING. LET'S BRING IN BLOOMBERG'S IAN
KING. BIG REPORT OUT OF NVIDIA TODAY
-- YESTERDAY. LOTS OF EXCITEMENT ON THE
FORECAST. DIG INTO THE NUMBERS.
>> THEY EMBARRASSED WALL STREET. THE PREDICTION OF 11 BILLION,
THE BIGGEST QUARTER EVER FOR THE CURRENT PERIOD, 83% HIGHER
THAN WHERE THE AVERAGE EXPECTATION WAS -- 53% HIGHER
THAN THE AVERAGE EXPECTATION. EVEN THE PALTRY LONG FORGOTTEN,
NOBODY CARES ABOUT EASY BUSINESS IS LOOKING BETTER FOR
THEM -- PC BUSINESS IS LOOKING BETTER FOR THEM.
WILDLY SURPRISED EVERYONE ON THE UPSIDE AND GAVE INVESTORS
EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
SHOW ME THE COMPANY ACTUALLY MAKING MONEY OUT OF THIS AI
THING.
>> IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS HITTING ON ALL CYLINDERS.
WHEN YOU ZOOM OUT, NVIDIA ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE ON THE FRONT
LINES OF WHATEVER THE NEW HOT THING IN TECH IS.
I REMEMBER SUPER HIGH-END VIDEO GAMES, NVIDIA IS THERE.
BITCOIN MINING, NVIDIA'S THERE. NOW AI, NVIDIA IS THERE.
>> THE FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL FROM THE CEO, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
WHAT HE CALLS A SHIFT IN COMPUTING TO ACCELERATED
COMPUTING. THE IDEA THAT INSTEAD OF USING
A TYPE OF CHIP THAT DOES EVERYTHING QUITE WELL.
AN INTEL CPU, USE A CHIP AS -- THAT HAS A SPECIFIC PURPOSE
THAT IS REALLY GOOD AT DOING SIMPLE THINGS RELATIVELY, BUT A
VERY PARALLELIZED WAYS. IT IS A HUGE RUSH TO AI
TRAINING SOFTWARE OR TAKING THE SOFTWARE AND DOING THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF IT. RECOGNIZING CATS IN VIDEO OR
WHAT YOU SAY TO YOUR ALEXA SPEAKER AND MAKING THAT MORE
EFFICIENT.
ALEX: I DO NOT WANT TO DAMPER ON THE
DAY FOR NVIDIA THEY'RE HAVING A BIG ONE.
IT MIXED ME WONDER WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE HYPER SCALARS,
THE FOLKS LIKE MEHTA, THEY ARE -- META, THEY ARE KNOWN FOR
WANTING TO VERTICALLY INTEGRATE THE INFO STRUCTURE STACK.
WHEN DO YOU SEE CUSTOMERS CREATING THEIR OWN SILICONE?
>> YOU WROTE ABOUT IT RECENTLY, THIS IS THE QUESTION HANGING
OVER THEM AND NVIDIA HAS TWO ANSWERS TO THAT.
ONE IS WE CAN RUN FASTER THAN THEY CAN BECAUSE WE HAVE A HEAD
START ON THIS. THE SECOND ANSWER TO THIS IS,
IF AI IS ULTIMATELY THE PRESERVE OF MICROSOFT, META,
AMAZON, EIGHT OF U.S., IT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH -- AWS, IT IS
NOT GOOD ENOUGH. THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING DEVICES
AND CLOUD SERVICES AND THEIR OWN SOFTWARE THAT WILL HELP
PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES. ROBOTICS COMPANIES.
AUTOMOTIVE COMPANIES GET INTO THIS.
THEY ARE TRYING TO HEDGE THEIR BETS THERE AND STAY AHEAD OF
THE GAME. ALEX: THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF
STAYING AHEAD OF THE GAME. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW
WALL STREET STRATEGIST MICHAEL HARTNEY A BANK OF AMERICA SAYS
THERE IS A MINI BUBBLE IN AI AND A BUBBLE IN TECHNOLOGY.
IS THERE ANY ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THIS IN SAN FRANCISCO, GROUND
ZERO OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT THINGS ARE GETTING A BIT FROTHY?
GUEST: IF YOU LOOK AT THE INBOX OF ANY
JOURNALIST IT WILL BE FULL OF PICTURES WITH THE WORD AI IN IT.
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS
BEFORE, OBVIOUSLY. NVIDIA IS A REAL GOOD CASE IN
POINT AND THE WAY THE MARKET HAS REACTED IS A GOOD CASE IN
POINT. NOT EVERY CHIP STOCK IS UP
TODAY. INTEL IS DOWN.
SOME OF THE OTHERS ARE SLIDING OUT, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE
SOBRIETY AT LEAST IN MY SECTOR. IN TERMS OF OTHER AREAS THERE
IS A LOT OF TALK. ALEX: NVIDIA IS DELIVERING AND IT IS
PROFITABLE COMPARED TO COMPANIES IN PAST MOMENTS OF
EXCESSES. IAN, THINK YOU FOR YOUR DECADES
OF EXPERIENCE COVERING SEMICONDUCTORS IN ASIA AND THE
U.S.. LET'S BRING IN MONA, EVERY JONESES SENIOR INVESTMENT
STRATEGIST. YOU LISTEN TO US TALK TO IAN JUST NOW.
WHEN THE S&P 500 UP 610 7%, CLEARLY -- .6%, CLEARLY POWERED
BY TECH NAMES THE DOW LOSES BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE TECH
EXPOSURE. IS THIS A STRONG STOCK MARKET
OR A FRAGILE STOCK MARKET GIVEN HOW NARROW THE WINNERS ARE?
>> THIS YEAR THE S&P IS UP 7% PLUS IT IS BEEN VERY NARROW
LEADERSHIP. ONLY THREE SECTORS ARE
OUTPERFORMING THE BROADER MARKET.
TECHNOLOGY, COME SERVICES, CONSUMER DISCRETIONARY.
THE QUALITY GROWTH PARTS OF THE ARGOT SOME OF THE SECTORS ARE
UP 20% PLUS, BACK IN BULL MARKET TERRITORY.
THE CYCLICAL MORE DEFENSE PARTS OF THE MARKET ARE MORE LAGGING.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BROADER PARTICIPATION IN A MARKET RALLY
THAT TO US AS A MORE HEALTHY SIGN THAT THE ECONOMY, THE
UNDERLYING FUNDAMENTALS IN THE MARKET BROADLY HAS MORE ROOM TO
RUN. THE NARROW LEADERSHIP DRIVEN BY
A FEW SECTORS AND A FEW NAMES, WE ALSO SEEING VALUATION
EXPANSION CREEP BACK INTO THE MARKET AS WELL.
ALTHOUGH EARNINGS GROWTH THIS PAST QUARTER DID EXCEED
EXPECTATIONS, WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT NEGATIVES EARNINGS
BOTH. -- THREE BACK TO BACK NEGATIVE
EARNINGS QUARTERS. VALUATIONS HAVE BEEN EXTENDED,
BREATH AND HAVE SPEND NARROW. SOME OF THE REASONS AND
INVESTORS HAVE GONE BACK INTO THE MARKET THEY DO HAVE THIS
ALTERNATIVE SITTING IN CASH AND CASH LIKE INSTRUMENTS IS
BECAUSE SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY PLAYERS HAVE PROVIDED A
COMPELLING REASON TO GET INVOLVED. SCARLET:
LET ME BROADEN OUT THE CONVERSATION.
THE EXCITEMENT OVER NVIDIA AND
ANY COMPANY WITH TIES TO AI IS PAPERING OVER WEAK SPOTS IN THE
OVERALL MARKET AND THE ECONOMY.
IT PUT -- FITCH PUT THE U.S. MARKET ON A POSSIBLE DOWNGRADE
ON ITS CREDIT RATING. IS ANY OF THE THREE BIG
CRAVINGS -- CREDIT COMPANIES DOWNGRADING U.S.
ENOUGH REASON TO SELL? I WANT TO GET AHEAD OF -- >>
INTERESTING QUESTION IS, THE BASE CASE IS, THE U.S.
DOES NOT DEFAULT ON ITS DEBT AND BOTH SIDES OF CONGRESS COME
TOGETHER IN A NEGOTIATED RESOLUTION.
WE HAVE SEEN HISTORIC PRESIDENT FOR THAT, 78 TIMES CONGRESS HAS
COME TOGETHER TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING SENSE 1960, 20 THIS
TIME SINCE 2011 AND SIX OF THOSE IS USING EXTRAORDINAIRE
MEASURES. THERE IS PRESIDENT FOR THAT AND
WE THINK IT IS THE LIKELY PASSPORT.
IN THE MEANTIME -- LIKELY THE PAST FORD.
IN THE MEANTIME WE WILL GET CONSTERNATION.
THE PINCH -- FITCH WARNING IS PART OF THAT. IF THE U.S.
DOES DEFAULT ANY OF THE -- WE WILL HAVE THINGS LIKE PAYMENTS
TO KEY AREAS TO THE ECONOMY, SO SECURITY, MEDICARE, DEFENSE,
ETC.. THERE ARE REAL MEANINGFUL IMPACTS OF THE DOWNGRADE AND
THE DEFAULT ITSELF. WE ARE HOPEFUL AS WE APPROACH
THE BIG STATE, BOTH SIDES -- X DATE, BOTH SIDES WILL COME
TOGETHER, THEY WILL CONCEDE TO SOME EXTENT AND WE WILL GET THE
NEGOTIATED RESOLUTION.
>> IF WE DO HAVE THE OUTSIDE CASE A DEFAULT, EVEN IF WE DO
NOT, SOME ECONOMISTS ARE SAYING THIS BACK-AND-FORTH COULD PUSH
US INTO A MILD RECESSION. IF THAT DOES HAPPEN HERE, WHERE
DO ROTATE YOUR INVESTMENTS? BACK TO CASH?
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT IF THAT IS A SCENARIO YOU CAN SEE THE
NEXT 12 TO 18 MONTHS? GUEST:
I THINK CERTAINLY THE MILD RECESSION SCENARIO IS ONE THAT
IS BAKED INTO MARKETS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BLOOMBERG
CONSENSUS ESTIMATES Q3, Q4 TWO BACK TO BACK QUARTERS THEY ARE
CALLING FOR NEGATIVE GDP. MINOR NEGATIVE, .5 PERCENT,
STILL SUBZERO GDP FOR TWO QUARTERS.
THAT IS PROBABLY NOW THE WELL ADVERTISED MILD RECESSION ON
THE HORIZON. IF WE DO GET MORE MEANINGFUL
VOLATILITY AROUND THE DEBT CEILING, THAT COULD CREATE
FEEDBACK LOOPS AROUND THE CONSUMER CALLS BACK.
THERE IS HAVE IT -- HESITATION TO INVEST IN SAFE HAVEN ASSET.
THAT HAS IMPACTS AND RIPPLE EFFECT THROUGH EQUITY AND BOND
MARKETS. IN THAT SCENARIO YOU WANT TO BE
MORE DEFENSIVE. DEFENSIVE STILL MEANS AREAS OF
THE MARKET LIKE STAPLES, HEALTH CARE, UTILITIES.
STILL OVERWEIGHT SOME OF THOSE CASH AND CASH LIKE INSTRUMENTS.
THAT ARBEL BETWEEN THE EQUITY AND THE BOND MARKET ON THE
DEFECT -- BARBELL BETWEEN THE EQUITY IN THE BOND MARKET ON
THE DEFENSE SIDE. IF THE ECONOMY GOES TO A MILD
RECESSION AND LOOKS TOWARDS RECOVERY THAT IS WHEN YOU
REALLY THINK ABOUT A MORE BROADENING PARTICIPATION.
THE RECOVERY PLAYBOOK SHOULD INCLUDE LEADERSHIP FROM AREAS
LIKE SMALL-CAP STOCKS LIKE INTERNATIONAL, EM EQUITIES AND
ALSO OF COURSE LONGER DURATION BONDS AND CYCLICAL.
NOT JUST TECH LEADING THE WAY WE DO THINK AS WE LOOK TOWARDS
THE BACK HALF OF THE YEAR AND A POTENTIAL RECOVERY, WE WILL
HAVE A MORE SUSTAINABLE BROADER LEADERSHIP IN THE MARKET AS
WELL. SCARLET: I HAVE TO ASK ONE LAST ONE ON
TECH DID SEE DURING THE PANDEMIC EURO COME -- ERA.
BIG TECH WAS GAINING, DIGITAL ADVERTISING, E-COMMERCE, WHEN
THAT TIME PERIOD ENDED, INVESTORS TURNED BACK TO THE
FUNDAMENTALS, IS THERE A RISKIER FOR BIG TECH NAMES THAT
ARE GETTING A LOT OF LOVE THESE DAYS -- RISK HERE FROM THE BIG
TECH NAMES ARE GETTING A LOT OF LOVE THESE DAYS.
WE SEE A BIG SELLOFF AND THAT SECTOR?
>> THERE IS A CASE TO BE MADE IN A CREDIBLE CASE THAT WE ARE
GETTING INTO OVERBOUGHT TERRITORIES.
A PULLBACK IS NORMAL, HEALTHY IN SOME CASES, GIVEN THE EXCESS
MOVES WE HAVE SEEN. THAT BEING SAID, IN AN ERA OF
LOW GROWTH, LOW ECONOMIC GROWTH INVESTORS DO TEND TO GRAVITATE
TOWARDS HIGHER GROWTH PARTS OF THE MARKET.
ESPECIALLY THOSE WITH DEFENSIBLE BUSINESS MODELS,
STRONG FREE CASH FLOW AND THOSE THAT ARE RETURNING VALUABLE --
VALUE TO SHAREHOLDERS TO BUYBACKS.
THERE IS PERHAPS CONSOLIDATION VOLATILITY AHEAD.
THE LONG-TERM PICTURE RE-THINK LOOKS BALANCED AND HEALTHY --
WE THINK LOOKS BALANCED AND HEALTHY FOR TECHNOLOGY. ALEX:
THANK YOU FOR TAKING US THROUGH TODAY AND TO THE FUTURE.
WE APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US. COMING UP WE WILL SPEAK TO THE
CEO OF STRAT
SCARLET: IN THE 3D PRINTING WORLD
STRATASYS AGREED TO ACQUIRE DESKTOP METAL, GRITTING A
LEADING COMPANY IN THE INDUSTRY AT ONE POINT BILLION DOLLARS,
JOINING US NOW IS -- 1.8 BILLION DOLLARS.
JOINING US NOW IS THE CEO, YOUR COMPANY REJECTED A COMPANY
TAKEOVER OFFER FROM RIVAL DIMENSION.
YOU ARE GETTING READY TO BUY DESKTOP METAL, WHY DOES THIS
EXPENSE? -- MAKE SENSE?
>> IT WILL RESHAPE THE INDUSTRY. THE 3D PRINTING INDUSTRY IS
FAILING TO DELIVER WHAT MANUFACTURING REALLY NEEDS.
THE COMBINATIONAL GREAT THE SCALE TO DELIVER. SCARLET:
WITH THAT SCALE OTHER CERTAIN CLIENTS OR SLICES OF INDUSTRY
YOU THINK YOU CAN SELL INTO NOW THAT YOU ARE PULLING IN
ADDITIONAL FUNCTIONALITY WITH THE ACQUISITION? GUEST:
DEFINITELY WE ARE LEADING IN THE AEROSPACE AND AUTOMOTIVE
MARKETS, WE ARE LEADING IN DENTAL AND MEDICAL.
WE DID NOT HAVE THE METAL PARTS, WE'RE FOCUSING ON
POLYMER. TO GET THERE WE ARE SELLING TO
THE SAME CUSTOMER THROUGH THE SAME CHANNELS, MUCH BIGGER PER
FOLIO, BROADER PORTFOLIO AND VERY PROFITABLE TO LEDGER -- TO
LEVERAGE OUR SCALE.
>> WHEN YOU SAY PROBABILITY TALK TO IS DAY ONE WHAT IS THE
FINANCIAL IMPACT ON STRATASYS FROM BRINGING THIS COMPANY INTO
THE FOLD? THE IMMEDIATE REVENUE BOOST,
MARKET INCREASING?
>> STRATASYS IS THE ONLY PROFITABLE BUSINESS IN THE 3D
PRINTING ARENA. DESKTOP METAL ANNOUNCED THEY
WILL BE PROFITABLE BY THE AND OF THE YEAR.
WHEN WE -- END OF THE YEAR. WHEN WE COMBINED TOGETHER WE
ARE THE FIRST $1 BILLION COMPANY IN THE INDUSTRY.
IN 2025 YOU WILL SELL 1.1 BILLION WITH A MARGIN OF 10 TO
12%. THIS IS NOT EXIST IN MANY FACTION BECAUSE WE ARE NOT
MATURE ENOUGH. ALEX: I APPRECIATE YOU POINTING OUT
THAT YOU ARE PROFITABLE AND A LEADER IN THE SPACE, 3D
PRINTING IS A FRAGMENTED SPACE RIGHT NOW.
GIVE US A SENSE, ONCE YOU COMBINED WITH DESKTOP, THEY
WILL BE ABLE TO BETTER COMPETE WITH NOW BEYOND THE 3D PRINTING
ECOSYSTEM?
>> WE WILL BE BETTER EQUIPPED TO COMPETE WITH THE ENTIRE
SECOND-TIER BECAUSE WE ARE NUMBER ONE.
THE BROADEST PORTFOLIO, UNMATCHED MATERIAL PORTFOLIO,
MATERIAL AND SOFTWARE IS KEY IN INDUSTRY, THOSE ARE TWO
GENERATE THE PROFIT. WHEN WE ARE COMING TO CUSTOMERS
WE HAVE TWO HUGE ADVANTAGES, ONE, WE ARE COVERING THE WHOLE
TECHNOLOGICAL SPACE. WE ARE SELLING -- IF THEY'RE
NESTLING WITH THEY NEED, WE SOME OF THE NEED.
-- THE CUSTOMER DOES NOT NEED
TO LOOK OUTSIDE OUR PLATFORMS. SCARLET:
ANOTHER ADVANTAGE YOU COULD HAVE OR COULD TAP INTO IS THE
SHAREHOLDERS OF DESKTOP.
DESKTOP METAL WENT PUBLIC IN 2020 THROUGH ICEPACK, ONE OF
THE BIGGEST SHAREHOLDERS IS ALPHABET -- THROUGH A SPAC, ONE
OF THE BIGGEST SHAREHOLDERS IS ALPHABET WITH A 3% SHARE.
DO YOU EXPECT TO WORK CLOSER?
>> NO DOUBT WE WILL BENEFIT AND COOPERATE WITH A GREAT
SHAREHOLDER BASE. IT IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT
BELIEVE IN INNOVATION, IT IS BRINGING THE INNOVATION TO THE
TABLE, WE ARE BRINGING THE ESTABLISHMENT TO GO TOMORROW,
THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE THIS -- TO GO TO MARKET, THE INPUT
STRUCTURE TO DELIVER VALUES TO THE BEST MARQUEE CUSTOMERS THE
WORLD. ALEX: WHAT'S PHYSICALLY OR WE TALKING
ABOUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE ALPHABETS OF THE WORLD AND HOW
THEY CAN LEND THE INNOVATIVE SPIRIT TO YOU AS WELL?
>> DESKTOP METAL, LOCATED IN BOSTON.
THEY ARE HIGHLY LINKED TO M.I.T..
THAT IS THE ENTIRE STORY. IT IS SO HARD TO FIND TALENT IN
OUR INDUSTRY.
THE ABILITY TO HAVE GREAT LINKS AND ACADEMIA PLUS GREAT
SHAREHOLDERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN BREAKTHROUGH
TECHNOLOGIES. I THINK IT IS A GREAT WAY
FORWARD.
ALEX: THANK YOU FOR WALKING US THROUGH THIS ACQUISITION
STRATASYS CEO. MICROSOFT IS PUSHING BACK
FORMALLY FILING TO APPEAL THE U.K. DECISION TO BLOCK ITS
MEGAMERGER WITH ACTIVISION BLIZZARD. MORE ON THAT NEXT.
THIS IS BLOOMBERG.
KEEPING YOUR ION SHARES OF SPLUNK REPORTING A FIRST
QUARTER THAT NEED EXPECTATION AND A SECOND QUARTER FORECAST
HIGHER THAN ESTIMATES. THE SHARES ARE RIGHT ABOUT
UNCHANGED WE WILL CONTINUE TO WATCH THROUGHOUT THE SHOW.
THIS IS BLOOMBERG.
ALEX: IT IS TIME FOR TALKING TECH.
FIRST UP GRAB CO-FOUNDER AT STEPPING DOWN FROM HER
OPERATIONAL ROLES IN THE COMPANY AT YEARS AND.
SHE STARTED THE COMPANY MORE THAN A DECK IT AGO AND LAZY
ECOLOGY AND CORPORATE STRATEGY
GAMES -- TEAMS. MICROSOFT PRESIDENT BRAD SMITH SAYS THE
U.S. SHOULD MAKE A NEW AGENCY TO REGULATE ARTIFICIAL
INTELLIGENCE. THE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS
NECESSARY TO OPERATE THOSE AI TOOLS.
OUTLINING THE COMPANY POLICY REGARDING AI AND ECHOING
SENTIMENTS FROM OPENAI, SAYING GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT ENSURES
THAT HUMANS WILL REMAIN IN CONTROL OF THE TECHNOLOGY.
OTHER MICROSOFT NEWS, THE COMPANY HAS FILED AN APPEAL
AGAINST THE U.K., AFTER THE ANTITRUST AGENCY BLOCKED THE
$69 BILLION DEAL TO BUY ACTIVISION BLIZZARD.
CMA SAYS IT STANDS BY ITS DECISION, ARGUING WOULD LET
MICROSOFT TO SET THE TERMS OF THE MARKET.
>> LOOK AT SHARES OF NINTENDO THE LAST FEW WEEKS IT TOOK
THREE DAYS FOR THE LATEST INSTALLMENT IN THE LEGEND OF
ZELDA FRANCHISE TO SELL MORE THAN 10 MILLION COPIES
WORLDWIDE. 4 MILLION IN THE AMERICAS WHERE
THE NEW GAME BECAME NINTENDO'S FASTEST SELLING GAME EVER.
FROM NEW YORK AND SAN FRANCISCO. THIS IS BLOOMBERG.
ALEX: WELCOME BACK TO "BLOOMBERG TECHNOLOGY." SCARLET:
LET'S GET A CHECK ON THE MARKETS RIGHT NOW.
THE NASDAQ IS FLYING HIGH THE MOMENT THINGS TO NVIDIA'S
BLOWOUT SALES FORECAST ON THE BACK OF DEMAND FOR ITS AI CHIPS.
YOU LOOK AT THE INDEX, THAT HAS THE -- NEW YORK FANG INDEX WITH
THE BIGGEST WAITING, -- TRADERS BETTING AGAINST NVIDIA HAVE
SUFFERED MASSIVE LOSSES, $2.3 BILLION PAPER LOST JUST ON THE
DAY ALONE, BECAUSE OF THE BIG SPIKE HIGHER.
ON THE DOWNSIDE YOU HAVE ETF THAT TRACKS SHORTER DURATION
TREASURIES. ONE TO THREE YEAR MATURITIES,
IS DOWN 18% ON THE DAY. WHEN THERE IS A SELLOFF IN
BONDS YIELDS GO OUT, AND THAT IS WHERE I WANT TO GO NEXT.
THE DEBT CEILING DRAMA DOMINATES AS THE MARKET IS
OVERALL HIGHER TODAY. LOOK AT THIS CHART.
A SNAP SHOT OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT CHECKING ACCOUNT.
THE AMOUNT IT HAS ON HAND TO PAY ITS BILLS.
INTEREST ON HIS DENT OR PAYING OUT SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS.
TUESDAY AFTERNOON TO HAD ABOUT $76 BILLION THAT WAS HIGHER IN
MID APRIL, WE CAN SEE THE LITTLE BLIP IN THE LAST PART OF
THE CHART WAS A RESULT OF PEOPLE AND COMPANIES PAYING
THEIR TAXES. TREASURY SECRETARY JANET YELLEN
HAS IDENTIFIED JUNE 1 AS THE DATE THE GOVERNMENT MAY RUN OUT
OF MONEY TO ON RISK OBLIGATIONS -- TO HONOR ITS OBLIGATIONS.
IT WILL DROP BELOW 30 BILLION FOR JUNE 8 THROUGH JUNE 9, THAT
IS THE BARE MINIMUM FOR MEETING OBLIGATIONS.
>> WHILE THE NEGOTIATIONS PROCESS TO THE RISK OF THE
FAULTING FOR THE FIRST TIME IS GROWING.
THAT IS WHY WE MORE THAN 140 CEOS ON WALL STREET EXECUTIVE
HAVE SOUNDED THE ALARM BELLS. IN A LETTER TO THE PRESIDENT
AND CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS, THE GROUP WROTE THAT HIGH INFLATION
CREATED STRESSES IN OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM INCLUDING
SEVERAL RECENT BANK FAILURES. MUCH WORSE WILL OCCUR OF NATION
DEFAULTS ON OUR DEBT LEGATIONS. WE STRONGLY URGE THAT IN ACCORD
BE REACHED QUICKLY SO THAT THE COUNTRY CAN AVERT THIS
POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING SCENARIO.
JOINING US NOW WITH MORE INSIGHT WITH CHARLES PHILLIPS,
MANAGING PARTNER AND COFOUNDER OF RECOGNIZED PARTNERS.
ONE OF THE MANY THAT SIGNED THE LETTER. THAT WAS SENT MAY 16.
IT HAS BEEN A FEW DAYS SINCE THEN WE HAVE HAD HEADLINES
CROSSED LIKE SPEAKER KEVIN MCCARTHY SAY TODAY I DID NOT
KNOW IF WE WILL HAVE A DEAL TODAY, HE SAID YESTERDAY THEY
NEED 72 HOURS, THEY WILL HAVE THE 72 HOURS TO REVIEW AND PASS
ANY BILL THAT DOES COME THROUGH. HOW DOES THE URGENCY CHANGE
SINCE YOU AND YOUR FELLOW CEOS AND LEADERS WROTE THAT LETTER
JUST A LITTLE OVER A WEEK AGO?
>> THERE IS A REASON THE MARKET ARE STARTING TO REACT.
YOU CAN SEE THE CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS SPREADS ARE CHANGING.
IT JUST SO HAPPENS, THAT WE HAVE A BUNCH OF TECHNOLOGY
COMPANIES THAT HAVE AN ANNUAL MEETING THIS WEEK.
ALL THE COMPANIES WERE IN, ALL THE INVESTORS WERE INCOME
NORMALLY TALK ABOUT OPERATIONAL AND PREVENTS NOW YOU HAVE TO
TALK ABOUT THIS -- OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS AND NOW WE TALK
ABOUT THIS. WE HAD A BANKING CRISIS, NOW WE
HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS. WILL THE COST OF CAPITAL BE
HIGHER IN THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS?
THE PLANNING ASPECT OF THIS IS WREAKING HAVOC ON PEOPLE.
THE UNCERTAINTY IS SOMETHING PEOPLE DID NOT LIKE DEALING
WITH RIGHT NOW. ALEX: THAT IS INTERESTING THAT YOU
HAVE THESE MEETINGS AND IT KEEPS COMING UP.
HOW TO THE DEBT LEADERS AND EXECUTIVES PLAN AROUND THIS OR
THROUGH THIS? GUEST: WE DO NOT USE A LOT OF LEVERAGE
IN OUR PURPLE TIER WE HAVE SOME COMPANIES BUT IT MADE US THINK
-- IN OUR PORTFOLIO, WE HAVE SOME COMPANY'S BUT WE HAD TO
THINK DIFFERENT THE ABOUT IT. FEWER DEALS GET DONE OR GET
DONE 80 DIFFERENT PRICE. PSYCH -- AT A DIFFERENT PRICE.
WE RELY ON STATE AND LOCAL BUDGETS.
THEY CANNOT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE -- FIND THE
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NORMALLY RELY ON.
WE HAVE IT RIPPLED DOWN TO THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL AS WELL.
>> THAT IS INTERESTING AND SOMETHING PERHAPS A LOT OF
LAWMAKERS IN WASHINGTON MAY NOT BE IMMEDIATELY AWARE OF.
IN YOUR CURRENT ROLE YOUR AROUND ANGELA NORA'S ALL THE
TIME, LEARNING TO -- AROUND ENTREPRENEURS A LOT OF THE TIME.
WHAT DO YOU THINK CONGRESS DOES NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND ABOUT HOW
THE ACTIONS REVERBERATE THROUGH THE PRIVATE SECTOR?
>> THE U.S. BRAND AROUND THE WORLD ACCRUES
TO EACH OF OUR COMPANIES, WE ARE YOU AS UNDERSTANDING
BUSINESS, VERY INNOVATIVE, COMING FROM A ECONOMY THAT IS
ROCKSOLID, RISK-FREE, AND HAS FISCAL DISCIPLINE.
WE BENEFIT FROM THAT BRAND. WHEN YOU QUESTION THAT, YOU GET
A CERTAIN -- AROUND THAT. PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT WE KNOW
WHAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE WE ARE FROM THE U.S..
THE BRAND ASPECT PEOPLE DO NOT QUITE UNDERSTAND IT HURTS
ALTHOUGH THERE COMPANIES. -- ALL OTHER COMPANIES.
>> THE REPUTATIONAL RISK IS INTERESTING, I AM CURIOUS WITH
YOU AS AN INVESTOR YOURSELF, RECOGNIZE, DOES THAT
REPUTATIONAL RISK OF THESE CHAOTIC CONVERSATIONS, OF THE
BANKING CRISIS THAT WENT ON WITH SOME OF THE IMPORTANT
FUNDERS OF PLACES LIKE THE TECH CENTER -- SECTOR LIKE SVB.
DOES THE REPUTATIONAL RISK POSED CHALLENGES FOR U.S.
YOU LOOK AT YOUR GROWTH INVESTMENTS GOING FORWARD?
>> WE ARE COMPETING WITH OTHER INVESTORS AROUND THE WORLD.
WE WANT TO LOOK LIKE WE HAVE AN EDGE.
PART OF IT IS THE OPERATIONAL BACKGROUND.
PART OF IT IS THE U.S.. PART OF IT IS A LOWER COST OF
CAPITAL. IF ANY OF THOSE BREAKDOWN YOU
DO NOT LOOK AS STRONG AS YOU LOOK OTHERWISE.
PEOPLE ASKING THE QUESTION, WHAT IS GOING ON OVER THERE?
I THINK THE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE JOB MARKET, IN GENERAL.
IF YOU CANNOT PAY OUR BILLS, SO SECURITY, MILITARY, THESE
THINGS START TO BREAK DOWN IT LOOKS LIKE CHAOS TO EVERYBODY.
PEOPLE THOUGHT THIS COULD NOT REALLY HAPPEN, MAYBE THEY'RE
PLAYING A GAME OF CHICKEN BUT THEY ALWAYS WORK IT OUT.
NOW YOU NEVER KNOW BECAUSE THINGS HAVE GOTTEN SO PARTISAN.
IT COULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN. THAT IS WHAT IS DIFFERENT NOW.
THIS COULD BE A THING THAT HAPPENS. ALEX:
DO YOU START LOOKING GEOGRAPHICALLY TO REGIONS
OUTSIDE THE U.S. WHERE COMPANIES ARE NOT SITTING
IN A ROOM AND HAVING TO COPE WITH UNCERTAINTY OR A PAUSE IN
INNOVATIVE STRATEGIES BECAUSE THERE IS TOO MUCH CHAOS
POTENTIALLY LOOMING FOR THE ECONOMY IN THE U.S.? GUEST:
WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LEVEL. WE HAVE COMPANIES IN UKRAINE,
LATIN AMERICA, ALL OVER THE WORLD.
WELL INTO WHERE WE COULD BE INVESTING DOESN'T MAKE THE U.S.
LOOK AT LESS ATTRACTIVE THAN IT WOULD OTHERWISE?
SURE, THAT IS LIKE ANY OTHER GLOBAL INVESTORS.
CAPITAL CAN FLOW ANYWHERE.
>> YOU SERVED ON PRESENT OBAMA'S ECONOMIC -- PRESIDENT
OBAMA'S ECONOMIC RECOVERY BOARD AND ON THE FED.
HOW DO YOU THINK THE 2023 DEBT CEILING STANDOFF DIFFERS FROM
WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST? OR IS THIS BUSINESS AS USUAL?
GUEST: THIS ONE SEEMS MORE SEVERE, IT
WAS SHORTER IN 2011, WE LOST 2.4 TRILLION IN MARKET CAP.
THIS COULD GO ON LONGER BECAUSE THE SIZE OF IT IS SO MUCH
LARGER. WE HAD CERTAIN A THAT PEOPLE
HAD TO WORK IT OUT, THEY DID NOT WANT TO HAPPEN.
WE ARE NOT SURE OF IT RIGHT NOW. IT MAKES IT SEEM IT IS WORSE
THAN IT IS. ALEX: THANK YOU FOR BREAKING DOWN THE
PRIVATE SECTOR IMPLICATIONS FOR US.
THANK YOU TO CHARLES PHILLIPS MANAGING PARTNER AND COFOUNDER
OF RECOGNIZED PARTNERS. COMING UP THE IMPACT OF
GENERATIVE AI ON RETAIL.
WE WILL DISCUSS ALL THAT AND MORE WITH CEO OF BUY NOW PAY
LATER KLAMA. WE ARE WATCHING SHARES OF BEST
BUY, FIRST QUARTER PROFITS, TOP ESTIMATES, AND THE COMPANY
RE-ANNUAL -- REITERATED ITS ANNUAL TARGET.
THEY SAID THIS YEAR WAS THE BOTTOM OF DECLINE IN TECH
DEMAND. THIS IS BLOOMBERG.
ALEX: DOES NOT TAKE A LOOK AT THE
FUTURE OF RETAIL THAT COULD BE MORE PERSONALIZED AND TECH
BOAST IN THE CONTEXT OF THE GENERATIVE AI REVOLUTION.
THAT IS THE PROJECTION LAID OUT IN THE KLAMA RETAIL REPORT.
THE CEO JOINS US NOW FOR US -- ON THIS.
YOU LOOK AHEAD TO HELP PEOPLE WILL OPEN THEIR POCKETBOOKS HOW
WILL AI SHOW ITSELF IN TERMS OF HOW PEOPLE ARE SPENDING IT
RETAIL. GUEST:
FIRST OF ALL, I TRIED THIS IN NOVEMBER, WHEN IT STARTED
TRENDING IN TWITTER. I SAID WHAT IS THIS THING?
IT WAS MAGIC TO ME. I FELT LIKE WHEN I OPENED UP
THE INTERNET THE FIRST TIME 20 YEARS AGO.
IT FELT SUPER IMPRESSIVE. WE INSTANTLY GOT IN TOUCH WITH
SAM AND I SAID LOOK I WANT KLAMA TO BE YOUR FAVORITE
GUINEA PIG OVER AT OPENAI, THAT IS THE WAY TO DO THESE THINGS
WE SEE DRAMATIC SHIFT THIS.
I CODED MYSELF, WHEN MY BIGGEST REGRETS IS I NEVER BECAME AN
ENGINEER. WITH THAT SAID, WHAT IS CLEAR,
THE TOOLS OUT THERE, THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE CHANGING
ANGST ARE NOT YET. THEY WILL COME IN NEXT SIX TO
12 MONTHS WE WILL ALL SEE BETTER SHOPPING EXPERIENCES.
SHOPPING ASSISTANCE, PROVIDING YOU A HIGH CONVERSION RATE FOR
RETAILERS.
ASSISTING CONSUMERS TO FIND BETTER PRICES, BETTER OFFERS,
ETC., I EXPECT TO SEE A EXPLOSION OF NEW TOOLS AND
SOURCES, NEXT 12 MONTHS TO UTILIZE THE TECHNOLOGY TO
PROVIDE A MUCH RICHER AND MUCH MORE ACCURATE EXPERIENCE FOR
CONSUMERS. SUPER SUPER INTERESTING TO
FOLLOW. ALSO THERE SEEMS TO BE, THE
STUDIES OF OUR SHOW, A HUGE BIG OPENING ON CONSUMERS.
THEY ARE WILLING TO TRY AND TEST THESE THINGS, THEY BELIEVE
CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. ALEX: WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE
EVOLUTION OF RETAIL WE HAD THE MALL START TO BRING THINGS
TOGETHER ON A REGIONAL BASIS OR A TOWN-BASED BASIS.
THEN WE HAD ONLINE SHOPPING WE CAN BUY ANYTHING FROM ANYWHERE.
E-COMMERCE PLAYERS SHOWED UP. IT HAS EVOLVED TO WHERE YOU
HAVE ALMOST TOO MUCH CHOICE. IF YOU LOG ONTO AN E-COMMERCE
PLATFORM IT IS HARD TO NARROW DOWN IF YOU DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. IS THAT A PROBLEM YOU EXPECT?
SOME OF THE EARLY APPLICATIONS MIGHT BE A LOW HANGING FRUIT TO
SOLVE WHEN IT COMES TO BRINGING AI IN.
PERHAPS TO HELP FOLKS DISCOVER THINGS ON THEIR PREFERENCES
MORE EASILY. GUEST: YOU ARE SPOT ON.
REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE LIVING IN A SMALL CITY?
THERE WAS ONE DEPARTMENT STORE. THEY HAD NICELY CURATED
EVERYTHING NEEDED TO BUY FOR US. EVERYTHING WAS THERE, YOU DON'T
NEED TO LOOK ELSEWHERE. NOW YOU ARE OVER WALKED --
OVERWATCH WITH EVERYTHING.
YOU THINK ABOUT THE PRODUCTS, THE DURATION COMING THING ABOUT
THE TECHNOLOGY, THE LOGISTICS TO BRING THE TECHNOLOGY TO THE
CONSUMER.
ON THE CURE RATION SIDE COME -- DURATION SIDE HAS GONE CRAZY.
YOU HAVE SEEN INSTAGRAM PEOPLE TRYING TO INFLUENCE PEOPLE.
INFLUENCERS RECOMMEND PRODUCTS. RETAILERS, THE BRANDS
THEMSELVES TRYING TO CURATE. CURE RATION TO A POINT IS A
HUGE OPPORTUNITY. WE LAUNCHED SEARCH IN THE U.S..
THERE HAS BEEN NO ONE LAUNCHING SEARCH IN THE U.S.
AGAINST AMAZON FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS.
WE SEE TREMENDOUS TRACTION TO REINVENT PRODUCT SEARCH.
HOW DO YOU HAVE INTENT DRIVEN DISCOVERY AT THE RIGHT PRODUCT
IN THE RIGHT PRICE, ETC., BUT ALSO THE INSPIRATIONAL.
THAT IS THE AREA, CURE RATION IS CRITICAL.
IN CHINA, IT USED TO BE 80% SEARCH, 20% RECOMMENDATION BY
AI.
80% OF OUR PEOPLE BY ON TEEMU IS AI RECOMMENDATION, NOT
SEARCH ANYMORE. THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT TECHNOLOGY
CAN MEAN AS A SHIP. ALEX: GOOGLE CEO WROTE AN OP-ED
RECENTLY THAT BUILDING AI RESPONSIBLY IS THE ONLY RACE
THAT MATTERS INSTEAD OF BUILDING UP AI CHOPPED.
HE BROUGHT IN REGULATION. WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE
POTENTIAL PROBLEMS OR PITFALLS FOR AREAS THAT MIGHT BE
CONCERNING THAT RESULT FROM THE USER INTEGRATION OF AI IN
SHOPPING IN YOUR WORLD?
>> AS YOU ARE A PAYMENT COMPANY, FRAUD IS A BIG ASPECT,
THERE IS INDICATIONS ON FRAUD PROTECTION.
I THINK ON A SOCIETY LEVEL, AS A SOCIETY, I RESPECT THAT A LOT
WHEN I SPEAK TO PEOPLE. TECH LEADERS.
I AM HAPPY TO HEAR THEM PROMOTE THE AMAZING OPPORTUNITIES IT
PRESENTS BUT ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE RISKS.
THAT IS MORE FROM A SOCIETY PERSPECTIVE.
IF I THINK MORE OF MY BUSINESS I THINK THERE IS ONE CRITICAL
THING THAT COULD ACTUALLY MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
IN SOME MARKETS IN EUROPE, SWEDEN IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, BASED
CURRENTLY, WE HAVE ELECTRONIC IDENTIFICATION THAT IS
AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE EVERYONE HAS IT ON THE PHONE.
THAT MEANS THERE IS NO FRAUD. THERE IS NO PROBLEMS WITH
PEOPLE PRETENDING TO BE SOMEONE ELSE.
THERE IS MUCH LESS FRAUD THAN IN MANY OTHER MARKETS WE SEE.
IT IS A CINCH -- SIMPLE THING, A DIGITAL PATH FOR JULY
DEFECATION. AND NOT -- DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION.
IF I CHAT WITH SOMETHING I NEED TO KNOW IF IT IS A HUMAN OR
COMPUTER. YOU HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY BE
TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT. THOSE JUICE OF THE THINGS THAT
COULD MITIGATE SOME THE EARLY RISKS -- THOSE ARE TWO SIMPLE
THINGS I COULD MITIGATE THE EARLY RISKS, CHANGES. SCARLET:
THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE SAYING KLARNA IS PIVOTING TO AI
AND REGULATION TO AI AS REGULATION COMES FORTH TO BUY
NOW PAY LATER IN AUSTRALIA AND THE U.K..
HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT? GUEST: FORGET IT.
BY NOW PAY LATER IS A FANTASTIC CREDIT PRODUCT FOR CONSUMERS.
EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH, HIM EXPLAIN ON NETFLIX.
YOU GET A 25 MINUTE SUMMARY OF ALL THE BAD PRACTICES.
ALL THINGS ANGST DO WITH CREDIT CARDS, THE BUILDUP THE -- BANKS
DO WITH CREDIT, TO BUILD UP THE BIGGEST ALLEN'S -- BALANCE.
IT IS INTEREST-FREE, IT IS FIXED INSTALLMENTS, WE DO NOT
PUSH IT IN YOUR FACE TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN SPEND MORE
THAN YOU HAVE. WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD A
RESPONSIBLE CREDIT CARD. IT IS STILL CREDIT.
ALL CREDIT HAS RISKS AND NEEDS TO BE OFFERED IN A RESPONSIBLE
WAY. AS A CREDIT FORM IT IS SUPERIOR
TO THE CREDIT CARDS. IT IS BETTER FOR US IN AN
UNCERTAIN ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT. WE UNDERWRITE EVERY TRANSACTION.
WE SEE 40% BELOW CREDIT CARD TRANSACTION LOSSES.
HALF MY BALANCE SHEET IS UNDERWRITING THE NEW
METHODOLOGY. I CAN QUICKLY CHANGE TO AN
ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS ONE. BANKS WILL WAIT TWO YEARS
BEFORE THEY SEE A SHIFT IN THE BALANCE SHEET DUE TO CHANGES IN
UNDERWRITING. ALEX: ONE MORE QUICK WHEN ON AI
BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.
THE RACE IS ON, THE RACE IS ON FOR TALENT.
YOU JUMPED IN QUICKLY TO WORK WITH OPENAI.
WHAT DOES HIRING LOOK LIKE INTERNALLY AT KLARNA?
WHERE YOU FIND THE INDIVIDUALS TO MAKE SURE THAT TYPE OF
TECHNOLOGY CAN BE SEAMLESSLY TESTED, INTEGRATED INTO WHAT
YOU ARE WORK -- ROLLING OUT FOR CONSUMERS.
>> I THINK IT IS OBVIOUSLY AN IMPORTANT QUESTION, OBVIOUSLY
DATA SCIENTISTS ARE IN HIGHER DEMAND.
I WANT TO GET AGAIN HOW MUCH THIS IS JUST ABOUT CURIOSITY.
ENCOURAGING PEOPLE WITHIN YOUR CULTURE TO INNOVATE AND TRY AND
TEST. ONE WAY I MEASURE RIGHT NOW, KLARNA'S AI INVOLVEMENT.
WE OFFER THEM A CHAT GDP FOR -- 4 AI POWERED ACCOUNT.
WE ARE AT -- I WANT TO GET THE 5000. I WANT EACH ONE OF THEM TO
EXPERIMENT AND LEARN TO UTILIZE THE TECHNOLOGY.
IT TOOK YEARS FOR PEOPLE TO DISCOVER THE POWER OF GOOGLE 20
YEARS AGO HOW IT CAN SAVE YOU TIME, MORE PRODUCTIVE.
ONE SHOULD NOT OVERESTIMATE -- UNDERESTIMATE, ENCOURAGING
PEOPLE. SCARLET:
IS ABOUT EXPERIMENTING AND ENGAGING RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE
DRAW BIG CONCLUSIONS. REALLY THANK YOU FOR JOINING US
THE CEO OF KLARNA JOINING US. COMING BACK HERE TO THE U.S.
RON DESANTIS'S CAMPAIGN ANNOUNCEMENT ON TWITTER WAS
BESET BY TECHNICAL GLITCHES. MORE ON THAT NEXT.
THIS IS BLOOMBERG. AS WE HAD TO BREAK, KEEPING AN
EYE ON SHARES OF PALANTIR AS THEY SAID THEY WOULD HELP
DEEPEN RELATIONSHIPS TO RECONSTRUCT INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CRANE SINCE LAST YEAR PROVIDING
SOFTWARE AND INCORPORATING AI TECHNOLOGIES TO EMPOWER
BATTLEFIELD DECISION-MAKING.
SCARLET: FLORIDA GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS'S
LIVE EVENT -- ON TWITTER, WAS PLAYED BY TECHNICAL GLITCHES.
LED TO HIS ANNOUNCEMENT BEING POSTED ON VENTURE CAPITALIST
DAVID SACHS INSTEAD.
>> THAT WAS INSANE. SORRY WE ARE DOING THIS FROM
DAVID SACHS'S TWITTER ACCOUNT. LOOKS LIKE DOING IT FROM MINE
BROKE THE TWITTER SYSTEM. SCARLET:
JOINING US NOW TO BREAK DOWN THE LAUNCH OF HIS PRESIDENTIAL
RUN ON TWITTER IS SARAH. HOW MUCH OF THIS TECHNICAL
TRAIN WRECK CAN YOU TIED DIRECTLY TO ELON MUSK'S STAFF
FIRINGS AND VARIOUS COST CUTS?
>> THEY DID NOT HAVE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THEY USED TO HAVE
WERE WORKING ON THIS KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE STABILITY.
THEY GOT RID OF THE USE OF THE DATA CENTER THEY HAD IN
SACRAMENTO THAT INCREASED THE STRESS ON THE SYSTEM, THEY HAVE
BEEN MAKING PRODUCT CHANGES. THOSE FACTORS PLUS THE FACT,
THEY DID NOT REALLY PREPARE FOR THIS MOMENT, IT SEEMS, THEY DID
NOT STRESS TEST THEIR SYSTEMS OR THIS WOULD'VE NOT HAPPENED.
>> I WAS TUNING IN YESTERDAY, ELON MUSK SAID HOPEFULLY THIS
WOULD BE A PLATFORM WITH PEOPLE OF DIVERGENT POLITICAL VIEWS TO
EXCHANGE THOSE VIEWS. IN THE COURSE OF THAT
CONVERSATION DID THEY PUT DIVERSE CLINICAL VIEWS ON
DISPLAY -- POLITICAL VIEWS ON DISPLAY WITH RON DESANTIS?
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT. IT WAS PEOPLE FAVORABLE TO THE
DESANTIS CAMPAIGN. THIS COULD BLOWBACK ON MUSK.
HISTORICALLY SOCIAL MEDIA EXEC'S HAVE NOT TRIED TO ALIGN
THEMSELVES WITH A PARTICULAR COMPANY.
THEY TRY TO BE NEUTRAL TO GET THE WIDEST POSSIBLE USER BASE
AND WIDEST POSSIBLE SET OF ADVERTISERS SPENDING MONEY
TERESA'S USERS. IF TWITTER POSITIONS ITSELF,
THAT WE ARE MORE FRIENDLY TO ONE POLITICAL PARTY OVER THE
OTHER, I DO THINK SOME ADVERTISERS WILL SHY AWAY FROM
THAT. I DID SEE, THE NEW CEO, AND THE
ROOM. SHE WAS THERE.
>> SO WERE YOU.
>> SHE COULD FIX IT, MAYBE WE WILL SEE. ALEX:
THANK YOU FOR WRAPPING THAT UP FOR US, DAVID SACHS WILL BE
JOINING US ON BLOOMBERG TV TO TALK ABOUT THIS MORE.
THAT DOES IT FOR THIS EDITION OF "BLOOMBERG TECHNOLOGY,"
DO NOT FORGET TO CHECK OUT THE PODCAST ON THE TERMINAL,
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