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be right there darling oh hello I'm

Ellis Liberty and talk show host

superstar Stacy Denison you may know me

from such things as mix and mingle

season one or blurry shopper and she did

it for the money thing oh that's right

it was supermarket slaughter it is a

thing it's on IMDB look it up well

anyway join us for season two as we mix

and mingle with some of the bay area's

best bartenders and I take you on a

roller coaster of a good time as your

resident and craft cocktail connoisseur

you mean you like the drink well yes

obviously why else are we here but I

cannot work like this these are AMA

chores where are my red M&Ms red Imams

anyone I don't want anyone listening to

me anyway on with the show hello welcome

to season two of mix and mingle

I'm your host Stacie Denison and tonight

we have a very special guest miss Katie

Ackley from Willard's Tap House and

Largo welcome Katie thank you for being

here thank you for having me I'm excited

good so katie is a cicerone which I just

learned this word today actually it's a

basically a simile which we learned last

season of your magic of beers

i leveled one Cicerone though there are

about three or four different levels

they each get increasingly harder but

the level one cicerone means I know how

to pour a good beer and into the proper

glassware so while that is very

important

so Katie tell us a little bit about

Willard papeles

for sure we are located in Largo Florida

and we have 40 different craft beers on

tap primarily we have craft but we also

do have international beers and we have

always ten beers that are local so Tampa

Bay area Florida in general just be

local Florida craft beers we are in the

park so many so many but yeah I mean we

just good craft beers we've got wine

we've got snacks and just great people I

mean we've been equated to cheers on

many an occasion and it's just a fun

place to go and grab the beer for sure

thanks so um tonight we're gonna be

making beer tales which I'm very excited

about because craft beer is one of my

favorite things you're in the right

profession than my face so as you can

see I came prepared with my I do craft

shirt I like it like and so what is the

first beer tale that we're gonna be

baking first tell us what if your tale

is for those that don't know okay so

there are a whole variety of different

types of beer tales you know you've got

your loaded beers which actually have

liquor in them you've got your just

mixed beers you got layered beers which

is actually the first one that we're

going to make and you have beers that

have like mixers in them or emulate

certain things like desserts or

different cocktails so what we're gonna

do first is the layered beer and what

most people are familiar with in terms

of layered beers are like your black

velvet so you are black and tans your

snakebites what I decided I wanted to do

was a kind of spin on it where I'm going

to be using

a chocolate peanut butter stout layered

or rather mixed together since they're

not the right consistency visibly layer

but mixed with a strawberry lambic and

hopefully when we get to the end of it

it'll taste either like Neapolitan ice

cream or like a peanut butter and jelly

sandwich that sort of thing so let's

give it a go all right so I'm gonna be

using the Terrapin liquid bliss as my

chocolate peanut butter porter one of my

favorites and normally I like to use the

Timmerman strawberry lambdak when I'm

doing this particular style of layered

beer but since we didn't have that we

have the throughly strawberry lambic

which is a Belgian white brewed with

fresh strawberries so that is going to

be our layer on top easy peasy layered

beers are 100 percent the easiest sort

of beer tale you could possibly hope to

make thank you thank you probably could

put a little bit more head in there but

not on grabbing max for this all right

awesome so what is our second beer

scaled everything so this one is gonna

be a little bit more complicated and I

have a little bit of a backstory for it

okay most people might actually be

familiar with the name of this one it's

a michelada so when I was living in El

Paso Texas for the first 11 years of my

life I mean she'd rather I didn't allow

to meet you a lot all the time every day

I did learn about them though when I was

younger and in in El Paso Texas a

michelada was super simple just lime

juice salt on the rim of the glass and a

domestic beer or just a light sort of

beer we often used to Coptic which my

family still used to this day when I

moved to Tucson it was a very similar

style but they also incorporated tomato

hot sauce and worst asure which I loved

as a fan of Bloody Marys

yeah then in Florida I realized the

common enchilada didn't incorporate

tomato juice

but Clamato so today what I was going to

name at that seafood Florida Flair oh

yeah

100% what I'm gonna make today is an

accumulation of kind of little bits and

pieces of those three to achieve Ava's

that I grew up with so you came up with

these recipes all on your own

mostly yeah I mean when you have so many

different beers at your disposal like I

do with Willard's um 40 like I said um

it's difficult not to experiment you

know see how things layer together and

see you know what you can make taste a

different way when you combine those two

flavors and you know growing up with a

family who enjoyed you know kind of

experimenting with certain types of

cocktails and things as I got older

having something like the michelada as a

base foundation to work with and then

kind of throw in my own little flair

into it was another fun way for me to

experience and learn a little bit more

about how a taste profiles combined so

I'm going to start off with this

michelada with exactly what I said

before hit the cop thing so this is

going to be our base foundation and

everything else that we add to it are

gonna be to flavor so everything to

taste if you want a little bit more of

one thing a little bit more of another

it's all about what you prefer so just

like a Bloody Mary basically if you like

that spicy you know some people call it

like a bloody Caesar when you kind of

make a similar Bloody Mary style but

with a beer its base Moochie lavas just

have very specific types of ingredients

I'm gonna throw a little couple of

dashes were she sure in there I don't

even know if I can ounce that correctly

I never know an impossible word I'm

going to do our Clamato for Florida

I'm also going to add our hot sauce

normally I like to use either Cholula or

like like crystal but we have these

little mini tabasco's which I thought

were adorable and I've had to use them

so a couple of dashes

and last but not least what I wanted to

add to make it like I was saying kind of

my own little personal Flair thrown some

banana pepper juice in there and then

you can give it a little bit of a mix

use a garnish of maybe banana peppers or

some olives some pickles anything like

that that is some drink I know it isn't

what a fan of the savory 100% it would

be a good like hangover pure like a good

hair of the dog not gonna sit and I've

used it as a hangover cure once or twice

but I've definitely used it as a

hangover cure once or twice it's like a

beer Bloody Mary

all right bloody Caesar use bloody

bloody Caesar some people will call yeah

but a michelada is what we have finally

created to this village well now that we

have our drinks which is the most

important part obvious how about we step

into the lounge for some mingling I

would love that

I don't know if I want to know take care

of the diva okay I'll put these here for

now oh yes that's right I was distracted

by the M&Ms I forgot tired so um Katie

you have a very interesting bye oh I'll

say I offer all my guests I asked them

to provide me with i/o ahead of time and

um I read Katie's and I was like this is

lunch so I tried to narrow it down

but she is a very interesting past so on

that being said first and foremost you

host a podcast every Sunday right I do

every Sunday we have a live stream of

our podcast at 5 p.m. Eastern and we are

the anime addicts anonymous podcast I am

one of four hosts you're kind of coming

out by saying that you're anonymous but

now you're identifying on the show my

host name is completely a nod oh okay

but I'm taking off the veil a little bit

for you on this one don't tell anybody

but yeah so we've been going at it for

10 years now and we develop decently

listenership I'm super proud of what

this podcast has become we do we've done

interviews before we have information on

news in Japan we watch all of the anime

that comes out seasonally from Japan and

as it airs so that we

you know what's good and what might not

be worth watching mm-hmm but in general

is just a really fun very informative

podcast if you're a if you're a fan of

anime it's worth checking out

mum so you can find us at AAA podcast

calm on Facebook our episodes are for

download on YouTube let's yeah if you're

a fan so um the next thing I want to

talk about is uh this is not Katie's

first time on TV

unfortunately no what I was um very very

intrigued by this and I did a little

research and so Katie was on MTV's made

so if you don't know what made us Katie

tell them about it so originally MTV

how-to show called made that was very

much like I want to be made into a rock

star I would be made into the prom queen

but then they ended up doing a dream

bigger series which was actually helping

people get made into different

occupations so I applied to be made into

a stunt woman so how did you choose

stunt woman mostly a lack of

self-preservation

yeah I'm always been a bit of an

adrenaline junkie I like trying new and

outlandish hobbies I figured I have a

decently high pain tolerance I figured

it was something that I would be good at

but mostly I just thought from the

perspective of maybe a producer would

make for a very visually stunning show

mm-hmm so I applied mostly because I

thought it would help me get it they

picked me an end for about six weeks

they trained me with different coaches

at different teachers

I learned stunt driving I got lit on

fire I thought that was stuff it was a

lot of stuff so what was the selection

process like for that did you see that

they were casting and you were just like

I want to be on it so there was a

convention that was in this area

it was Metricon in Tampa

and they had a stand set up for MTV's

made and they were doing interviews for

anyone who wanted to do it and I signed

some papers I did my little mini

interview and that was it I got a I

forgot really about it got a call six

months later and they're like you're in

Wow oh that's pretty good yeah

definitely not as rigorous I think if

some auditions or screening yeah things

can go so I was very lucky and then very

not lucky when I realize just how much

what you tell yeah you're like yeah I'm

second-guessing myself here this was a

lot so um for the UH as you were saying

I noticed that you got to drive cars

like stunt driving yeah you got hit by a

car

I did it was only an hour though so it

wasn't that bad only 30 miles per hour

that's it

ah you jumped off of what 40-foot Tower

that was my height yeah that was the

highest that I jumped was 40 feet um my

normal kind of one that I jumped was 10

feet and that was kind of just in to be

a standard like mattress bag type thing

but 40 feet was like my graduating high

dive I suppose it was it was really fun

very very scary because they kept on

drilling into you like you don't want to

fall into the bag incorrectly

yeah well that's lots of confidence now

guys thank you I'm very I'm very eager

that's absolutely terrifying to bat and

you also got set on fire I did yes and

and that one isn't nearly as dangerous

as you think it is there are layers upon

layers upon layers of things that you

are wearing if you ever see a stunt

person in a movie oftentimes they're

very heavily clothed or the only thing

that's lit on fire is their outfit and

not any part of their actual body

because you've got like a fill or like

it's like a gel that you put on your

sorry mother size something

yeah and it's it's multiple layers that

are all flame retardant and then you've

got your main layer on top that's like

super thick but that's the layer that

burns away

so you're only supposed to be on fire

for like 30 seconds or laughing so I

actually kind of got a little bit of a

burn on my leg from that oh yeah time

moves so so slowly when you're on fire I

didn't realize sure it does five seconds

so all of that sounds absolutely

terrifying to me and I never do any of

that scream uh especially not the

jumping off of 40-foot Tower I'm

terrified of heights

now did you crap your pants at all

during any of this if I did you're not

revealing the camera doesn't matter fair

enough fair enough I I'm an adrenaline

junkie I love things like that I love

Heights I loved just the the action of

it so it was it was a lot of fun it was

worth it for sure so um now did you this

is a personal question you don't have to

answer did you get paid for this or was

that kind of like you got paid in

punches so because it was through MTV

most of it was they paid for my hotel

they before my plane ticket they made

for all of the things like my food and

my board and all of that

it wasn't until I ended up working at a

wild west on SH I went to Jean which is

where I learned about Nietzsche Dallas

um that I ended up actually getting a

job where I got paid for it and that was

a little bit more of I did fight scene

choreography I got you know thrown off

of a roof I I got to be a part of an

explosion which was pretty fun but most

of what I did was was production work

you know whether it's how to make blanks

for the guns cuz mild west I learned

yeah you do bullwhip which was really

fun as well um but you know it's a

little difficult to get health insurance

as a stunt woman so after that then you

segwayed into the alcohol realm so you

got a job at Total Wine which is where

you became a Cicerone I did I was there

I was there there Scotch expert there's

spirits specialists in general and

there's Cicerone

and I taught all of the beer and spirits

classes very so that was that was my

favorite thing to do really because I

mean what is better than picking 13 of

your favorite beers and teaching people

about it and you know helping people

have a really good time for lack of a

better term but yeah it was a lot of fun

but by the way I forgot to mention this

is delicious yeah so I'm having a hard

time deciding um

the strawberry is very prominent okay

and it's very um strawberry jam light so

I would say it's leaning more toward the

peanut butter jelly gotcha

but it's amazing so um okay very quickly

because we're running out of time and

like I said I have so many questions for

you um another thing that I was like

whoa what is this on your bio you were

an aerial Acrobat I mean technically I

need to get a job in an or anything but

when I was in college we put on a

production of A Midsummer Night's Dream

and they hired two directors one to

teach the Shakespeare and one who was an

artistic director who taught all of us

how to do aerial acrobatics and it'll

dock I'm comin I would rake my I did a

aerial Lehrer so it's like the the metal

okay more than I would do the aerial so

but I would rig my equipment in my

neighbor's tree oh I'm sure they were

standing by like oh my god then not yes

but I had gone so long without it

actually that was that was a perk of

Willard's good so finally I feel like an

adult so um did you have a background in

anything like that like gymnastics or

again it was just something you picked

up something I picked up I have a nasty

habit interesting being a serial hobby

dad learn my name

we had to call it well not just pre

people you can learn at any point in

life history would be an aerial Acrobat

okay

so um all right I have some bartending

questions for you since this is a

bartending I mean this is turn into the

Katie show so it's now Katie so I did

have one more quick question that I

almost forgot about unrelated to me and

do people ever recognize you from the

show no not at all good well because

yeah there were a lot of moments in made

that I would I really would rather

people not remember but I also when I

got my job at Willard's the first thing

that I did was get tattoo you can dye my

hair oh I've been dying my hair crazy

colors for the last two years every

couple of months so I don't know what

are we going to and then I just revealed

to everyone yeah and now you don't get

non-stop question thanks for that I

appreciate it I know I outed you on your

podcast and then I just outed you on

your made I have you know secret

identities at all anymore seriously why

would you do that

okay sorry what we do here a mix and

mingle so um how did you get into craft

beer did you always like it or did you

kind of segue like you you know we're

like a you know domestics and then you

know you're like this wasn't tasty

enough I want a craft beer I actually

I've always really appreciated craft

beer I've always had a lot of friends

who were into craft beer my now blue

mate is a home brewer so he was kind of

getting me into it a little bit when I

worked a total line obviously when

you're surrounded by so many different

things some of the four types of alcohol

different types of craft beers different

types of liquors you you find yourself

sampling quite a bit did you find

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opportunity to try many a delicious

delicious booze item hmm nice so that

kind of tip to my interest and then when

I found out that willard's was hiring I

was like I know craft beer no that's and

I'm assess our own level one so um you

brought up your roommate brewing their

own beer have you ever tried home

brewing I kind of tried once I got the

Jim homebrew from a distance okay I'm

just not very good at anything that

requires like translation I'm interested

in math I'm not a good scientist yeah

I'm not a good mathematician either I

was a music major in college I can count

to four yes oblique and literally

started five you know five six seven

really bad that was a bad joke Andy so

sorry take a drink of that so do you

prefer draft bottle or candy beer I

prefer I prefer draft just because it's

always fresher you know it's it's always

got so one of the things about beer is

if any light can get to it while its

sword it oxidizes and can oftentimes

cause it to get skunky

or or dull and card 40 and it just

doesn't taste as good

so cams and kegs are the best way to

keep it from oxidizing and going bad

now no matter how dark the bottle is

unless you've literally got a bottle

painted black you're gonna get some

oxidation having oxidization but

regardless one of those signs but

regardless so whenever anything is on

draft not only is it kept constantly

chilled in in terms of when it's

transported and and brought into your

personal bedroom it's there's no

oxidation happening at all and so it

just will always taste fresher it will

always have a longer-lasting life it's

just it's it's better I think in my view

I am very good right here myself so what

is your go-to beer when you go out

honestly unless I'm going to a brewery

or a very you know prominent craft beer

tap house isn't anything different yeah

cuz nine times out of ten no matter

where you go you're gonna get your

standard domestics you're gonna get

maybe a Sam Adams seasonal you're gonna

get maybe if you're really you know

lucky like a Lagunitas or something but

if they have something that's just

unique like if they have something from

you to Rome which is a Canadian Belgium

brewery or if they and I love everything

by them unibrow if you wanna be as fun

hello email us at info but yeah just

anything unique and I am all on board

with that

so what's your go-to beer at home oh

that's that's tough right now in my

fridge I mean season has a little bit to

do with it I agree right now I've got

some Funky Buddha sweet potato casserole

oh thank my good one yeah I love that

one and I've got some dragons milk I

can't remember what the name of the jury

for Dragon song is it's really really

nice super thick Russian Imperial South

and ten percent and it's yellow it's so

tasty now what is your favorite type of

beer out of all of them oh okay so this

is probably seasonal too actually

so it's a hard toss-up for me because I

either like steppes mm-hmm or showers

hmm so I'm like on those are legs yeah

very different but Yunnan beer drinkers

out there they're very stout is a very

dark more heavy beer if you're familiar

with Guinness vision that um sour is

very tart very a whole bunch of

different idea

you got no like citrusy sours you got

your salty goes at types hours you've

got your vinegary kind of Flanders red

types hours and I just I love anything

that kind of makes you do things where

you get like that like where you're like

sucking on a lemon head exactly that's

my favorite so all right we're uh

cutting it close on time but I have so

many things all right let me pick out my

favorite question here okay

ah let's see you were gonna tap I had to

adjust my glasses for this your house

with 40 taps willard's

so what about what do you do when a

guest comes in and they don't know what

they want and they're like I want to

sample this this this this this this

this this this do you cut them off or I

love when people do that like Baskin

Robbins

what day do you do that to her Fridays

and Saturdays

honestly usually people are pretty good

about it oftentimes they'll get people

who will ask for a sample and then feel

really bad to ask me for a second mammal

I one of those people it actually makes

me feel good about like I feel better

offering you a sample when I know you're

not just like I want to sample 1 7 8 and

19 can I use all of this yeah but

usually if people don't know what they

want I'll ask them if they're feeling

light or dark if they want something

light are the healing happy are they

feeling sour are they feeling sweet you

can narrow down the board substantially

and kind of pick out a couple of things

yeah give them a sample of the three

things you've narrowed it down to you

and see if they find one that they like

and I will say this having been a beer

tender myself um if you kind of push a

certain beer on them like if you give

them a simp like three different ones

yeah they'll pick one of those usually

instead of them being like like you said

I don't know 1/7 819 ok then they're

just gonna keep doing it so if you kind

of steer them in the direction they're

more likely to helpful helpful tip tip

tip for you bartenders out there it is

yes oh so uh my last question for you is

one that I ask all my bar guests um so

have you ever had anything super awkward

or embarrassing happen while you were

working okay so I actually have a pretty

great story and parted my French for

what I'm about to say but it was about

the third week that I had been working

at will

so I had gotten to know a lot of the

regulars but not really intimately like

I wasn't friends with them mmm and one

of the women who I am now very good

friends with she's one of my favorite

regulars who comes in I guess she had a

little bit too much to drink

mm-hmm and was you know she wanted to

say a joke mm-hmm and and the joke was a

little bit of an elaborate joke and hit

her a new can ever remember her state of

inebriation she managed to take two

parts of the joke combine it into one

and in a moment of complete silence in

the bar she looked at me and went you're

a [ __ ] and then the look of horror on

her face look the [ __ ] on her face I

lost it I just like laughing cuz I

actually kind of was like I went down to

my diamonds on the floor cause everyone

heard it it was dead silence and she had

hand over her mouth she looked like she

was like gonna cry I almost she's like

I'm so sorry one of her friends was like

yelled at her and how you got it in oh

sorry Anne now she calls me a [ __ ]

laughing but yeah so that was really

funny and awkward and you know that now

now it's just it's a great story to tell

about when one of my patrons called me a

[ __ ] since we are so low on time thanks

to me and my excessive questioning of

you it's like an interrogation room in

here so you're experienced at TV you're

like no muscle so we have two more fairy

tales to make and let's go get them

sweet all right

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okay so what is the next beer tail organ

do so the next one it's kind of the more

classic what people think of when they

hear beer tale so a beer tail or a

loaded beer is basically a beer as a

base with a shot of some kind of liquor

in it

okay so oftentimes you would get a blue

moon then he would put a shot of Grandma

a unit to kind of balance out that whole

like Orange - orange or he would do a

corona with a lemon rum in it or

something just just could you just a rum

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key lime Roma in a corona delicious I

bet that would be or any sort of

blackmail but what I'm gonna do today is

a little bit of a spin on that I'm going

to basically make a goes Auriga so a

margarita kind of made with beer and

some tequila so I'm gonna start and I

got myself a little shot of the camera a

tequila that I'm gonna use as candies

I'm not gonna do a full shot because

that's just crazy I don't know if y'all

can see this but uh this bottle is now

empty and then I'm gonna do some triple

sec as well

Fullmetal why not I mean they're basic

shows will sec yet and triple sec is

like 0 30 percent I'll go 60 I never

know we know so start drinking it

straight and I've known face I'm going

to do the sea quenched session by doctor

shut and it's got lime juice lime peel

black lines and sea salt so it's already

got kind of your your lime margarita

your very margarita life exactly it's

kind of mix that all together hmm and

then I'm normally a fan of the less

sweet to the better mm-hmm

but what I'm gonna do for you just in

case you want to try some of it

absolutely the most here a minute okay

just to give it a little hint of

sweetness that you don't get um the

triple sec okay cuz it might not be

sweet enough for ya okay I find out yeah

so a go Sarita and if it doesn't give

any sort of head or any sort of foam

taste good just add more tequila that's

my motto

alright there we go

and yeah with all of that liquor in it

it's not going to give you too much head

or phone yeah I'm gonna weighs it down

I'm taking a sip of it I was I'm

actually eager to see what you think

watch your face please yes

interesting it tastes like a margarita

perfect yeah good could you do a salted

rim on this

she's probably yeah I would probably do

like a yeah I would probably do like a

Himalayan pink sea salt rim okay with

getting a little fancy but we're a

classy joint with maybe a lime for

garnish hmm

because this has black limes and sea

salt create the rim made out of that

yeah black Mario our butt so all right

so we have one more drink to me and this

one katie tells me she's unsure of haha

sure first not as confident so this is

the kind of a uh a test like we're

throwing katie in the fire even though

she got set on fire at one point ten or

there I would say we're throwing her in

the fire with uh making this drink that

she's never made before

exactly so I'm anxious to see how it

comes out so one of my favorite things

to do and I kind of mentioned it before

is I enjoy creating different beer tales

that emulate certain things like

desserts I once made a tiramisu

um I once made a Bananas Foster kind of

beer tale um or making a beer tale that

emulates a cocktail specifically so like

making a Sazerac near tail with an

absinthe flavored cider um what I have

never tried to make before is a

chocolate old-fashioned beer tale so

that is what we are going to try to make

it I'm going to make one for both of us

so that we can try them both and you

guys can bear witness to my success or

my failure all right let's do it

let's do it so I'm exciting as my as my

my face I'm starting with the Kentucky

Bourbon Barrel ale so this is what's

going to this is what's going to emulate

here - perfect so yeah the Kentucky

Bourbon Barrel is what's going to

emulate that ugliness that you get from

the Bourbon mm-hmm in an old-fashioned

so I'm gonna throw a little bit into

each of our glasses okay give it a

little bit extra because the flavor of

the oak aging it's gonna be more subtle

mm-hmm then every other flavor okay pour

that chocolaty deliciousness my favorite

Chocolate Stout which is Sam Smith's

organic chocolate Vanek chocolate stuff

and it literally tastes like tootsie

rolls so I'm gonna put not as much in

there probably I would say that's two to

one that we've done so far okay because

the chocolate flavor is a noticeable

flavor now can our viewers buy these

beers at Willard's or a total wine or

you know so some of these beers we do

have on or have had on draft but I

actually bought all of this a total

while okay so yes you can get everything

that you see before you at total or

usually can anyway sometimes they might

be out okay and then for our last one to

give you a little into that citrus that

you get from like the orange peel and

the orange in an old fashioned I chose

the Lost Coast tangerine wheat okay I'm

going to do a substantial splash of that

one because it is the lighter profiled

so this is later if you're familiar with

an old fashioned cocktail this is kind

of replacing being muddled orange

exactly muddled orange and sweetness

you're getting more of a sweetness from

the chocolate and then you are from the

orange but and then you know because I

where are you looking at this because

this is the only thing I decided to

bring an actual garnish for Oh easy to

pick out OOP

just drop it in there that's Tim came up

now there we go daddy them but you know

that they're there that's what I just

sink to the bottom so these are our

chocolate old-fashioned beer tales so

now is the time to try it weird this is

the most nervous I've been this entire

time if this tastes like crap I'm just

throwing the glass Cheers

it's an interesting taste um and I don't

just like it doesn't taste like an

old-fashioned but you know it it tastes

good I I will give you that so again it

does not taste like an old-fashioned so

if you're really looking forward to a

beer tale tasting like an old fashioned

details but I'm go ahead and experiment

with what I did and zoom you can find

things like a different bourbon

barrel-aged beer or a different

chocolate stout or something a little

bit more pronounced with that orange

flavor maybe there's some increase in a

narrow cherry it's not bad it's not bad

I feel like each one is better on it

well it was a good try Katy thank you I

commend you for it

so cheers again all right well if that

delicious drink that we're closing with

I do want to use this opportunity to say

first and foremost please drink

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now that I've had this delicious beer

you're welcome ah a big thank you to

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every Wednesday or Wednesday Thursday

Friday Saturday oh that's a lot I bet

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they have a lot of good stuff I know

this week coming up they have a pumpkin

take over something in that last call

for pumpkin beers um

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