Football, Philosophy and Rocket Science: Episode 13

I'm fired up

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kennel and Joel Kade

hey there and welcome he's Joel I'm

Elliot let's get to it

right away about a very exciting article

that appeared in dog pound daily talked

about miles Garrett not being a leader

oh I'm not real sure that I'm upset if

miles Garrett is not a leader what do

you think Joel

well I think before I jump in let me at

least fairly articulate what the article

is saying so the headline is Browns

miles Garrett really isn't the leader

we'd imagine he would become and as you

would expect

everyone on Twitter

reads the uh reads the headline doesn't

read the article gets mad or calls

people names

that that that's pretty much what's

going on but the article basically back

comes down to this he the author John

suchan on dog pound daily check it out

dog pound daily John suchan getting a

lot of Twitter feed right now

basically says hey here's what's been

going on with Miles Garrett it's clear

that Miles Garrett is a type B

personality he leads by example and not

by words except when he opens his mouth

and causes problems and we're probably

not going to expect to see anything

different he's a quiet leader type who's

gonna

voices grievances

so that's the article now

I don't know I mean I this is who miles

Garrett is you know like I'm not

expecting him to be a vocal leader but I

mean the Browns have had Anthony Walker

other people that the team itself has

said they're the leader of the defense

so when the team itself says not miles

Garrett but somebody else we just picked

up our free agency is the team leader I

don't think the expectations are high

for Miles Garrett to be the team leader

I mean what do you think Elliot is Miles

Garrett should he he's the highest paid

player should he be the team leader on

defense

no the linebacker is usually the leader

the traffic cop the guy who calls the

signals and uh the defensive end doesn't

lead I mean it's like saying the first

baseman is going to be the team leader

no it's not it's usually the catcher or

the shortstop or the center feeler come

on the other thing that I think is kind

of humorous those of us who are in the

business realize that we don't actually

know who wrote the headline it might

have been John suchan or it might have

been the side expert we just don't

really know uh in the in that business

the uh

headline is usually the discretion of

the senior person

um but it's it's all good because what

you really want to do is to generate uh

interest in the article right

um but uh which is different from click

bait I think that's different from click

bait and I think this is a good point to

make to people who always claim that

whatever is written on dog pound daily

is clickbait it's not click bait is when

you put a headline out there and then

you promise something in the headline

and it's not delivered in the article

yes headlined here is delivered in the

article therefore it is not clickbait

yeah what I I think what we have a

legitimate beef with is if somebody

starts arguing with the article but

didn't actually read the article

and um I think that that is a uh uh uh

it's a feature of modern society that

we'd like to

encapsulate our thinking in a simple

five or six word phrase and not actually

think about things in depth but it is a

very worthwhile discussion about how

much leadership is important from the

best player on the team do we need to

have

philosophical leadership or leading by

example or what exactly do we want to

have

and um I'm not sure that it really

matters that much

uh as long as we don't get the senior

guy getting the young players in trouble

taking them out to

bad places uh you know late at night and

you know flashing guns around and

getting him in trouble with the law

stuff like that I'm gonna agree with you

Elliot I'm not sure that you need the

highest paid player and the best player

in the team to be the person the defense

rallies around I'm not sure that's

important I think what's important is

the highest paid player you know lives

up to the money that they're getting so

if you're paying miles Garrett an

outrageous amount of money to get sacks

then miles Garrett needs to go out and

get sex you're not paying him

to lead the team that's why you're

paying Anthony Walker because God knows

you're not paying him for any other

reason so he needs to go out there and

leave the team you know he's the guy

that the team rallies around he sacks

them up he gets him ready he gets him in

the spot he's the one that's vocal and

tells everybody to do what they're

supposed to do you pay him for that you

don't pay miles Garrett for that you pay

miles Garrett to affect the quarterback

there's a lot of talk about coach on the

field well maybe there's not enough talk

about the coach on the sidelines why

don't we actually have some coaches on

the sidelines that do coaching what are

they getting paid for so I'm I'm

thinking about another thing though I

that I do want to raise is about the

overall value of a player is there's

some controversy in fandom and in in the

sports casting

field about how valuable a defensive

player actually is and I I've read a lot

of things lately about how much a

defensive player's work a lot of people

will say that a defensive player cannot

be worth more than one point

to the point spread that kind of Galls

me

that why would a quarterback move the

point spread by six points

if you know if he's injured

point spread moves by six points and a

defensive player

only one

does that make any sense uh it makes a

little sense but not a whole lot of

sense okay so the quarterback is in

total control of the offense you get

somebody who can't control the offense

the whole offense is just going down the

toilet you take miles Garrett out of the

game which the Browns do because they

rotate players right there's a drop off

but it's not as like playing your second

string quarterback now Mom Garrett is a

game disrupter he is and the defense is

different without him I mean look at TJ

watt in Pittsburgh you take him out when

he's no longer cleaning up the trash

they got nobody to clean up the trash

and teams are making plays on them

I mean I don't know what they're going

to do if they don't have him pushing a

quarterback out of bounds behind the

line of scrimmage so we can break the

sack record I mean what are they going

to do in Pittsburgh

I think you could make a point that if

the quarterback is out you're

unexpectedly out let's say that you have

to change the whole game plan

unexpectedly and you your whole offense

is out of gear for a while until they

adjust to the backup so that there might

be that point so if your quarterback

gets injured on a Friday that's probably

bad but I think that if the defensive

end is out I think the defensive end is

worth about three points if he's really

that good if he is

uh like the one two or three

best defensive ends in the NFL they

really do impact the game that much

and I don't think that replacing them

with somebody that's not a really good

backup player that's got to impact the

game by at least three points miles

Garrett coming out and putting in the

number 100

uh player the 100th best player in the

NFL at that position impacts the game

severely yeah I'll go back to Pittsburgh

and what like they're handicappers on

that point

I'm sorry I I'm gonna go back to

Pittsburgh I mean look what happened to

Pittsburgh's defense when TJ watt was

injured

huge difference yeah it has a huge

difference and they were losing games

and they were pushing the we're gonna

have a losing season Mark and

everybody's like oh my gosh do you see

all the graphics on TV I think a well a

very good Edge player

can affect the game in a real way

absolutely yeah I I can't believe that

TJ watt only made one point worth of

difference to the Pittsburgh Steelers oh

no he didn't and he positively cannot

accept that that's nonsense I mean I

think there's actual charts out there of

what the Steelers gave up on defense

without TJ watt versus what they gave up

with TJ that was crazy and it's it's not

just a coincidence it's not that they

play different opponents uh it really is

TJ freaking what he's that good and so

is Miles Garrett miles Garrett was out

for a couple games and the Browns

defense was demonstrably worse without

him uh and even when he came back he

wasn't 100 and I believe that that

impacted the course of the game so yeah

those guys are really that good they

really I want to get back on TJ watt

here I think why in a lot of ways is a

product of the defency plays in right he

he comes in he he rarely really I don't

say never but he rarely gets sacks based

on I'm taking on a player one-on-one

beating that player and making the sack

most of his sacks come from he's got a

free run because the offense was

confused or the quarterback scrambles

because somebody up the middle or

somebody on the other side has forced

the quarterback to scramble and then

he's out of the pocket and TJ watt

chases him down and does what I call

clean up the garbage I have yet to see a

highlight reel of all of TJ Watts sacks

when he broke the sack record quote

unquote because I'm not believing this

really happened

and I'm guessing there's going to be a

lot of them of him being the closest

Defender to a quarterback that ran out

of bounds behind the line of scrimmage

and got like some sacks that way but

he's the garbage collector and if you

take out the garbage collector and your

defense is designed to feed the garbage

collector then you got nobody to feed

and then your whole defense falls apart

which I think was going on in Pittsburgh

well you know a lot of that is true but

but we also tried to double team him an

awful lot and he just beats everybody up

um he's just a remarkable athlete much

like miles Garrett they're they're just

both incredible hey I'd like to move on

uh all right so so before we move on

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all right well let's let's talk about

the Baltimore Ravens uh you and I have

put them together

um but I believe that the Ravens are

having the worst off season that they've

had in many many years normally I have

very great respect for that organization

I don't usually affiliate music to my

ears understand I do not like that

organization I'm not saying that I love

to Baltimore Ravens I do not like them

because of who they are but I was have

respected them over the years especially

their quarterback Lamar Jackson who I've

said since he was a rookie would be the

greatest two-way threat quarterback in

the history of the NFL I have seen

nothing to dissuade me from that

judgment however

I think that their approach the past few

years and especially this year is

chaotic

uh I think that there's a struggle in

the upper echelons of ownership and the

front office that is not making any

sense

and I think we can prove that I think we

can look at the moves that they've made

this year and they're absolutely out of

joint if you can put up that graphic uh

jaw let's take a look at what they've

given up and what they're getting hold

on so those of you who are not watching

we now have a Graphic up that's the

Baltimore Ravens free agent tracker so

we're going to discuss who left the

Ravens who the Ravens brought in are

they better as a team for this or are

they not so that's going to be the

discussion

yeah so let's let's take a look not only

of what the names are

and uh but also uh what kind of players

they're giving up and what they're

getting by the way I listed Odell

Beckham Jr twice sorry about that but uh

they gave

you got to list him twice for him to be

the same effect as one player yeah once

once for each time that he had a uh ACL

repair

but okay what do they give up the the

big player that they gave up was uh

guard Ben Powers he uh got a four-year

deal for 51 million dollars they gave up

a tight end you know these are classic

Ravens players a offensive lineman a

tight end uh 8.2 million dollars

guaranteed that's pretty good uh they

also gave up a big nose tackle coyas

Campbell who's been a just a thorn in

the brown side for I think he's played

for about 32 years if I'm not mistaken I

am not sad to see him leave the AFC

North yes exactly yeah his actually he

is about 32 years old he's maybe on the

downside of his career but still very

very formidable

and uh they also gave up a safety Chuck

Clark who's been a really great player

for a number of years he's been traded

to the New York Jets still on the free

agent Market is cornerback Marcus Peters

who

've made a lot of the Pro Bowl teams I

believe also wide receiver Demarcus

Robinson defensive end Justin Houston

who's been a good player yeah

pardon he was a rental

yeah okay but you know still he's uh a

uh

substantial player not not nonsense

um

and uh the defense uh defensive end uh

Jason Pierre Paul

uh was not a superstar for them but he

was uh in the past

uh running back Kenyan Drake was

um

uh you know sort of had a comeback for

the Ravens I think he had over 400 yards

rushing and 500 year uh yeah 500 years

of total offense 509

from scrimmage and wide receiver Sammy

Watkins who I can't stand but okay those

you know he didn't do that much for the

Ravens let me comment on this here I

think you're right and that you're

seeing people who are typically Ravens

players leave the leave the building

you're watching offensive lineman

defensive lineman defensive backs right

defensive lineman are all just leaving

the Ravens admittedly Marcus Peters

probably wasn't worth the money Kyle

Fuller wasn't worth the money they were

paying him so I think they're cleaning

house on some people that coleus

Campbell leaving is to me unexcusable if

I were a Ravens fan but I'm not so I

celebrate that one the more than

anything else but see Jimmy Watkins I

mean he probably knew like yeah I'm not

getting the ball here let's face it he

doesn't really count and it was just

sort of a frill pick up anyway but yeah

they've let two corners two bigger named

Corners Kyle Fuller and Marcus Peters

along with Chuck Clark who they

preferred over I forget the the

they got from Seattle that they ended up

cutting to start Chuck Clark but

you know I mean you're there letting

that that defensive back go and the the

marriage between the defensive line and

the defensive backfield is important so

if the defensive line can get pressure

the defensive backfield can play well if

it's a backfield can can cover then the

defensive line can get pressure it's

kind of the two sides of the same coin

and this is the team that has always

been all in on defense and it seems like

to me this is going to be a turnover of

their defense yeah they're giving up

legitimate defensive players and they're

giving up some big guys on uh on offense

so what are they getting okay let's talk

about what are they getting well uh you

know all about Odell Beckham Jr fans you

know he played for the Browns he's a

great wide receiver but he's had two

knee operations on the same knee we wish

him well against everybody except for

the Cleveland Browns

um he is a legitimate star

um was a legitimate so I'm not sure if

he's still got it I would say he was

I I openly questioned why he's even

considered a good wide receiver anymore

but anyway let's move on anymore that's

what I say was I think you know he made

the great one-handed catch and it gave

me lost

but I'm you know I'm not sure that I

really uh

you know value that that type of catch

uh as the

you know wide receivers primary uh

attribute I'd rather you know

get open uh dig out a

pass close to the ground in freezing

weather I think that's really what I

want to see

but okay anyway so they got Odell they

also got Nelson aguilor who's a good

wide receiver I think he's been able to

catch the Long ball when he's not good

but yeah I didn't did not have a good

year for the Patriots but you know

there's and he didn't have a bunch of

good years with the Eagles before that

he's not good so yeah okay all right

anyway he's getting three million

dollars wide receiver as as a as a

veteran-wide receiver that's who they

got you know that you know look at who

else they got that's all they got they

got a uh quarterback

a cornerback pardon me

um Rocky ass sin I don't know how to

pronounce that name

thank you he was playing for the Colts

and uh yeah you know he's capable that's

about what I would say about him he's

capable and uh they got a quarterback

Josh Johnson whom I always liked uh I've

been following his career since I was

five years old

um in the 1960s

and uh

Johnson but yeah it might actually be

yeah it is yeah I know Josh is Immortal

um you know he he does not age

and I think he can still play

quarterback and doesn't matter how old

you are to play back up quarterback I

think that's true

be your third string quarterback 19

different teams including the Cleveland

Browns I liked him I didn't want to see

him go I think it's good to have

continuity as your backup quarterback if

you're going to have a quarterback

that's not that good you might as well

have one that has two years experience

with your team because that gives him an

automatic Advantage so I mean this guy's

played in the UFL the aaf

American Alliance of football and the

XFL yeah good for him I'm I'm against

having inexperienced first year uh

quarterbacks as your only option if your

number one guy goes down I think that's

stupid and the Browns have practiced

that philosophy since forever I'm happy

to have uh the Rocket Man is our backup

quarterback again this season but okay I

digress

uh that's who they're getting you know

wide receiver wide receiver

um some token effort to bolster the

defense with a defensive back and

they're also getting laquan tread while

just uh for whatever reason I can't so

Elliot in case you missed it you have to

know that this wide receiver group has

been touted as the best wide receiver

group the Ravens had had their coach

marched out there and said this is

possibly the most talented wide receiver

group they have ever had they now have

five first-round draft picks on their

team Odell Beckham

Nelson Al Galore laquan Treadwell Zay

flowers who we'll get to in a minute and

uh Rashad Bateman and they think that

that is like the five first round draft

pick wide receivers they are super

excited and they're ecstatic about their

wide receiver core I'm looking at this

wide receiver core and I'm asking who's

going to catch the ball Treadwell's not

getting open agallor doesn't get open

Beckham we don't know what he is he's

clearly not going to be the same guy

probably the best of the bunch he was

the third round pick I think and I'm

gonna agree with you like their best

receiver is probably the third round

pick yeah

well okay they can talk about whatever

they want but what we're noticing is

that okay they did try to address wide

receiver okay they're going away from

their power offense

and I don't think that's a good idea

what I think actually has happened okay

let's briefly mention that the draft

what do they do they go wide receiver

number one with save flowers we assume

that that's a good move that they have

an excellent scouting Department then

they do pick up some defense out in the

later rounds they traded away the second

round pick uh last season for

roquron Smith uh I don't think that was

a smart move

they would probably have been better to

rely on their scouting Department uh

drafted somebody this season but they

didn't so I imagine that okay they got a

linebacker a defensive end and a

cornerback I think those will probably

be good picks as they usually choose

well man looks like that sixth round

pick as they drafted the alphabet

yeah well so they got some uh guys that

they can probably develop as offensive

linemen eventually but but they're late

round picks so they didn't invest in the

offensive line

um made some tokeny uh attempt to get

defensive ends but I think that you know

this is a obvious decision that they're

going away from their big run heavy

offense and they're going back to the

idea that well we're going to transition

Lamar Jackson into being a pocket passer

and we're not even going to protect him

with an offensive line this season he's

just got to scramble and learn how to

get out of bounds and stuff

they have a second Pro Bowl quarterback

on their team

oh shut up

what do they care one pro bowler goes

down

oh boy yeah great and he's got five

first-round draft picks to throw at

exactly I think I think the greatest

Ravens offense ever

yeah I think uh Eric request him I think

that he really was going to be okay uh

with letting Lamar Jackson uh have the

franchise tag this year I think that

they were going to be the team that was

going to hold the line on overspending

against quarterbacks and I think that he

was probably overruled from above I

think that the uh maybe this is just

speculation on my part okay I do not

have inside information but I think

really their business plan all along has

been we're going to be good every year

we're not going to overspend on Veterans

and especially we're not going to over

overspend on quarterbacks like everybody

else in the NFL we're going to be the

team that bucks the trend we will spend

one year of Lamar Jackson

not have this gigantic mortgage of 200

million dollars plus like everybody else

has and we'll go with a new quarterback

next year that costs

you know 10 million dollars or something

in the draft

and we'll run the ball and get 3 000

yards again on the ground

I think that was their original business

plan

and I I think that they were overruled

probably by the owner

maybe by the president who's they may

have gotten overruled by the analytics

Department

because if you just do even a little bit

of analytics yeah who's the analytics

Department

I don't know who Sashi Brown that's okay

okay Baltimore Ravens our former general

manager they probably got overruled by

the analytics Department they're

probably telling them you know score

more points if you pass the ball yes

then throw the ball it's very possible

that you know they made it might have

either converted uh the cost on that

point or gone to the owner and pouted

and gotten their way you know slash you

might have gotten his way by doing that

or it might be that uh that biscotti

might have

the owner might have just said man I'm

not going to get rid of a

very valuable quarterback uh just in

order to test out this theory that

quarterbacks are overpaid the only two

people who believe that are Eric DeCosta

and this this stupid guy in Cleveland

Elliot kennel those are the only two

people in the universe that believe that

I want to give you my little speech here

Lamar Jackson's been getting injured

okay he does have and he missed some

games

all right and it's because he's running

for his life some of it is planned runs

and some of it is his offensive line

breaking down and he's running for his

life

okay they did not help him

by letting some offensive lineman go but

I can see what they're attempting to do

they're going to say okay let's throw

the ball

so our quarterback doesn't have to run

for his life and then we can like keep

him healthy while we're paying him an

ungodly amount of money

okay that that may be what their attempt

is the problem I see with that although

it analytically would make sense right

the problem I see with that is that

they're not going to a traditional

you know

Pro style read the defense make the

right read throw the football offense

they're going to that Todd mocking air

raid crap that we tried here

with Odell Beckham Jr who through a fit

when he didn't get the ball from Baker

Mayfield

well now wait a minute he got the ball

from Baker Mayfield with monkin as the

OC that was uh uh 2019 and Beckham had

his best year for the Browns he had a

thousand yards

um but he did have to have surgery he

had a thousand yards yes he did I'm I'm

pretty sure he didn't well didn't we

have two wait a minute let's just check

I think we had two onesies so they're

going to this air raid well it looks

this up they're going to this air raid

thing where they're not going to ask him

to read the defense they're going to ask

him to read what the receivers are doing

1035. okay well there you go 2019 you

got 1 000 yards so 18 or 19.

2019. so four years ago he got a

thousand yards receiving

we're talking nobody else was nobody

else was allowed to go out for a pass

except for a Landry true

yeah I'm pretty sure that was the case

too so you know we're talking about uh

Alabama boy

for a time of year here what was his

name the head coach

he was the quarterback of Alabama can't

think of his name Baker Mayfield loved

him anyway that's that disaster year he

was the head coach

and

I I don't know what they're going to

accomplish in in Baltimore because

you're asking to read receivers which I

get it right if if you've watched Lamar

Jackson play quarterback at Louisville

under that Pro style offense you're

probably going to conclude the exact

same thing that every other NFL team

concluded which is this guy should be a

wide receiver

but the Ravens said look we're going to

put him in this specialty run offense

and we're going to use his speed as a

quarterback and we'll open receivers so

he doesn't have to read defenses by

using you know reads based on putting

defenses in a bind so we're not going to

run traditional NFL pro style schemes

and they're not going to do that now

I don't agree with you I think I think

that uh that uh Jackson is much better

now at uh

uh

at uh passing as an NFL quarterback but

I think that he's better still as the

Dual threat quarterback I think that's

what he does best

um but I think I think you can

be a passing quarterback

but it's not like you know

I I don't think he's a superstar I think

he's a superstar when he's a dual threat

guy

I I think it's going to be a disaster

now it's not going to start off as a

disaster because they're going to play

Houston who's like the worst team in the

NFL and they are so bad they couldn't

even like lose a game that they were

supposed to lose to get the first pick

so they had to get the second pick

that's how pathetic that team was they

won when they should have lost at least

the Browns knew you lose you get the

first pick these guys couldn't figure

that out they're going to get them with

a rookie quarterback on the first game

of the season so it's going to be here's

our pre-season real game first week of

the season

yeah it's not going to look bad to start

with it's going to look pretty good

until they get into real NFL competition

not a team full of a bunch of rookies

and young players

I I have trouble visualizing a 180 pound

NFL quarterback that one

I think he's watched the Panthers week

one you'll you'll see that one

oh wait that's right he's not playing uh

he's not playing for uh Houston no he's

playing for Carolina but Carolina

that'll be fun to watch yeah so Houston

will be okay you watch the OTAs of the

Panthers and you're like who let that

Junior High kid out there you know he's

barely getting up to like Peck level of

his offensive lineman the top of his

head is like the bottom of the offensive

lineman's pecs and he's out there trying

to throw the football so let's see how

that goes I don't believe I don't

believe in that

see how that goes

I just I think the Ravens I I agree with

you I think

when we think of Ravens football like

good Ravens football right and not that

I like him I hate him for everything

you think of a good running game and a

tremendous defense

so they're playing defensive football

right they're out there to say we're

gonna like stop you from scoring and

we're gonna score enough to to win and

Ellie just disappeared on us so at that

point the Ravens have deviated from what

they've been and now they're becoming

more of a hey let's throw the ball let's

figure out if we can throw the ball

around the yard offense which has not

traditionally been

who the Ravens are and we have Elliot

back yeah

hit the wrong button

can't use the search engine and talk on

TV at the same time all right so we just

finished up how the Ravens are kind of

changing their their modus operandi to

use some philosophical words yeah here's

your philosophy for the day yeah

changing their modus operandi of as an

organization and it doesn't quite make a

lot of sense yeah it doesn't really

square with the Personnel that they have

that's exactly right I think that

they're really weakening themselves

um by their indecision and they're going

back and forth between whether they want

to be a long ball passing team or

whether they want to be a big Burly uh

Buck the trend Rush rushing team or you

know run first team

and uh it is going to hurt them I think

that they have uh not added the people

that they need to add on defense

and I think the Browns have done that

the Browns have added about four

meaningful players on defense that are

replacing four really you know not

highly routed highly rated players on

defense yeah highly routed players

that would be the Texans highly routed

yeah yeah

that's exactly what they were they were

routed on defense at the defensive

tackle last season I don't think that's

going to happen I don't think that

they're going to be able to push around

a 335 pound guy at defensive tackle

um so I I think that the rounds are

going to stop the run this year as

simple as that and uh I think the rate

will get back to the Raiders I think

they're going to have a good defense

they I mean some of those players that

are letting go because I I think their

their secondary has been garbage for

years and people have not really seen it

like Marlon Humphries is garbage so I

can go on that all day long if you want

but their secondary has not been

I think there's some players in place

that will kind of smooth over some of

that not replace it they'll take a step

back on defense but they're not going to

be

30s defense I don't even think they're

going to be 20s I think they're going to

be top half defense okay I think their

offense is is just I don't know I think

that's a bomb waiting to explode and not

in a good way

yeah I I think they're confused last

year they were really the number one

defense in the AFC North

but I think that they've lost uh players

they've deliberately decided that they

are going to not sign players on defense

and instead they're going to spend money

on their offense

and you know the long ball passing

attacks so they are going to score more

points probably

um but I'm not even sure of that well

yeah they may just be screwed up on

offense I think they're just confused

they may be confused I agree they're

confused

I think the Steelers probably have the

best defense in the AFC North when TJ

watt is there and I attribute that to

their scheme

because they can scheme the heck out of

things and they're very their coaches

are very very good at scheming their

players into good positions I think if

you just throw them out on the field and

made them play bass they're not going to

be that good of a defense yeah very well

in Pittsburgh yeah I think I think it's

going to be a complete reversal

defensively last season the Browns and

the Steelers were the weakest defensive

teams I think this season they will be

the best defensive teams and I think

last season the Ravens

and the Bengals were the best defensive

teams but they have neglected their

defense this season and the result will

be that they'll give up more points and

uh

the difference of numbers can be skewed

I mean defensive numbers can be skewed

because if you hire the Bengals and you

have an offense that's on the field a

lot that's going to help your defensive

numbers yes and if you're the Ravens and

you're running the ball a lot that's

going to take time off the clock and

that's going to help the defensive

numbers yeah complimentary football is a

real thing and we can talk about that in

a future show and I believe you know

actually that is responsible for the

Bengals good showing on defense to a

large degree and the the Ravens are all

the more impressive because they

struggled on offense to a degree last

season

but this year they really hurt

themselves I think in the off season

um

I I don't know you got all the hype out

there I like what the Ravens did in the

off season I don't like that one bit

personally I love it I think it's

fantastic they just went out and hurt

themselves and they're basically

confused as to who they are as a

football team if nothing else it's a

transition year for them they're going

to transition from from running the ball

to throwing the ball position here

they're just doing dumb stuff I'm trying

to be nice I'm trying to you know

they're you know transition year means

like oh well they've got a you know a

bunch of old players that are retiring

he's like no

they're ready and they're on a

transition from one pile of football to

another style of football Smart Style to

stupid Style

to not be a contender

uh they're in the same position as

Cincinnati they just decided they wanted

to self-destruct this season I really

like the Steelers uh or I should say

respect the Steelers

um they have done a lot of smart things

on defense I think they're going to be

really tough this season

um

well I think yeah we get in the Steelers

next week we can do Steelers hate next

week all right let's do the Steelers

next week

um I think the Steelers we only hear a

lot about the Steelers because they

don't have a glamor guy at quarterback

but they are badasses on defense I think

yeah they got the the trash collector

all right

don't

underestimate the Steelers Browns fan we

do this every season and I can't stand

it don't underestimate you want to meet

the Steelers just go out there and I'm

not gonna say this is super confident

about Pittsburgh never no I agree with

you you can never be overcome about

split streak all right well that's all

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