Published June 26, 2023, 5:20 p.m. by Bethany
Michael Guillen describes his experience being trapped in a Russian submarine while visiting the titanic wreck nearly 20 years ago.
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VESSEL WITH FIVE PEOPLE ON
BOARD.
BUT OVERNIGHT, IT POSITIVE SIGN
THAT THE CREW MAY STILL BE
ALIVE.
JOINING US NOW IS SCIENTIST,
JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR.
MICHAEL, THANK YOU FOR TAKING
THE TIME TO JOIN US.
WE WANT TO GET RIGHT TO YOUR OWN
EXPERIENCE.
SHARE YOUR STORY WITH US.
YOU TOOK A TOUR DOWN TO THE
TITANIC IN 2000 AND SOMETHING
SIMILAR HAPPEN.
TELL US ABOUT THAT.
>> I HAVE BEEN INVITED TO BECOME
ONE OF THE FIRST CORRESPONDENCE
TO REPORT ON THE TITANIC IN
SEPTEMBER 2000.
EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A FEAR OF
WATER, I ACCEPTED IT AS PART OF
MY JOB.
WE LEFT NOVA SCOTIA, HALIFAX,
WHERE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ARE
BURIED, AS YOU NOW.
WE WENT ABOVE THE TITANIC,
POSITIONED OURSELVES AND DOVE
DOWN.
IT TOOK ABOUT 2.5 HOURS TO GET
DOWN.
EVERYTHING WAS GOING FINE.
WE TOURED THE BOW, THEN WE WENT
ACROSS AND APPROACHED THE STERN
AREA.
YOU'LL RECALL THAT WHEN THE
TITANIC SANK IT BROKE INTO TWO
PIECES.
THE BOW WENT STRAIGHT DOWN, THE
STERN DID A SOMERSAULT AND
LANDED ON ITS BACK.
SO MY EYES WERE ON THE
PROPELLER.
I THOUGHT, IT'S SO SHINY, IT
JUST STANDS OUT DOWN THERE,
EVERYTHING.
THEN I NOTICED THE SUBMERSIBLE
WAS GOING FASTER AND FASTER.
I THOUGHT, WHY ARE WE GOING
FASTER, WE SHOULD BE SLOWING
DOWN APPROACHING THIS GIANT
PROPELLER.
I LATER FOUND OUT THAT WE HAD
THE BAD LUCK OF BEING CAUGHT UP
IN A VERY STRONG UNDERWATER
CURRENT.
THEY DO EXIST DOWN THERE.
IT SMACKED US RIGHT INTO THE
BLADES OF THE PROPELLER.
I KNEW IMMEDIATELY FROM THE
COLLISION AND ALSO FROM THE BIG
PIECES OF RUSTED METAL COMING
DOWN ON US FROM THE TITANIC THAT
WE WERE IN A LIFE OR DEATH
SITUATION.
IT WAS COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED.
>> Heather: I AM SPEECHLESS
LISTENING TO YOU DESCRIBED THIS.
WHAT WENT THROUGH YOUR MIND, AND
HOW LONG WERE YOU STOCK?
HOW DID THEY GET YOU OUT OF
THERE?
>> I DIDN'T PANIC.
I WORRIED THAT OTHERS MIGHT
PANIC.
I HAD BEEN TOLD WHEN WE WERE
BEING PREPARED FOR THE DIVE THAT
IN THE PAST, PEOPLE WHO PANICKED
WOULD GO RIGHT TO THE HATCH,
THINKING THEY COULD ESCAPE AND,
OF COURSE,, OUT TO THEIR DEMISE.
SO I WAS VERY CONSCIOUS THAT I
WAS GOING TO TACKLE ANYBODY WHO
EVEN DARED TO LOOK AT THE HATCH.
THEN MY SCIENTIFIC BRAIN KICKED
IN.
I AM A PROFESSIONAL PROBLEM
SOLVER AND I THOUGHT, THIS IS A
SERIOUS PROBLEM.
THERE HAS TO BE IN SOLUTION.
AS I THOUGHT OF THE
POSSIBILITIES, I THOUGHT OF HOW
MUCH OXYGEN WE HAD LEFT AND SO
FORTH, I REALIZED QUICKLY THAT
THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO.
OUR ONLY HOPE WAS OUR PILOT, WHO
WAS IT FORMER PILOT WHO WAS USED
TO HAVE SIX -- USED TO
SITUATIONS WITH A COOL HEAD
UNDER PRESSURE.
HE WAS IN CONSTANT
COMMUNICATION, UNLIKE THIS
MISSING SHIP.
OUR PILOT HAD CONSTANT
COMMUNICATION WITH THE
MOTHERSHIP, THE RESEARCH SHIP
ABOVE US.
AND IN THE END, IT WAS THE
BETTER PART OF AN HOUR, WHICH
SEEMED LIKE AN ETERNITY WHEN I
NOTICED SOMETHING HAPPENED.
THE VEHICLE QUIETED DOWN.
UP UNTIL THEN THE PILOT WAS
TRYING TO PULL IT OUT OF RANGE.
WHEN IT WENT SILENT I THOUGHT,
EVEN IF IT'S GOOD NEWS OR BAD
NEWS, IT WOULD BE BAD IT -- BAD
NEWS IF THE ENGINE DIED AND WE
WERE LITERALLY DEAD IN THE
WATER.
WE HADN'T SPOKEN TO THE PILOT,
WE WANTED TO LEAVE HIM ALONE, HE
WAS FOCUSED ON TRYING TO RESCUE
US.
BUT FINALLY I COULDN'T RESIST.
I ASKED THEIR ONE-WORD QUESTION
QUESTION.
I LOOKED AT HIM AND I SAID "OKAY
?"” HE TURNED TO ME, AND IN
THIS VERY THICK RUSSIAN ACCENT
SAID "NO PROBLEM."
THAT WAS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.
YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT WE
HAD WON THE LOTTERY 1 MILLION
TIMES OVER.
I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED SUCH A
SENSE OF JOY AND RELIEF.
I'D ALREADY RESIGNED MYSELF TO
DYING, NEVER SEEING MY WIFE
AGAIN, THINKING THAT MY SPIRIT
WOULD JOIN THE SPIRITS OF THE
PEOPLE WHO DIED DOWN THERE AND
JUST BECOME ONE OF THEM.
SO IT WAS AN ENORMOUS RELIEF.
THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING WILL
HAPPEN WITH THESE FIVE SOULS
THAT ARE IN THIS TIGHTEN
SUBMERSIBLE.
BUT IT'S NOT LOOKING GOOD, I
HAVE TO SAY.
>> Heather: YOU WERE DOWN
THERE FOR ABOUT ONE HOUR, AND
THEN RESURFACED RIGHT AWAY.
>> RIGHT.
IT TAKES 2.5 HOURS TO GO DOWN,
THEN WE TOURED FOR ABOUT THREE
HOURS, AND THEN WE WERE STUCK
FOR THE BETTER PART OF AN HOUR
AND IT TOOK YET ANOTHER 2.5
HOURS TO GET UP THERE.
THEN THE STUDENT -- SCUBA DIVERS
HAVE TO COME HOOK YOU UP WITH
THE CRANE, HALL YOU UP.
IT WAS AN NAILBITER FOR MORE
THAN EIGHT HOURS.
8-9 HOUR DRAMA ALL TOLD.
THESE POOR PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
THERE FOR DAYS.
IT'S TAKING ME BACK, AND IT'S
NOT PLEASANT.
BUT I'M DOING THESE INTERVIEWS
TO INDICATE TO PEOPLE JUST HOW
SERIOUS THIS IS.
I DON'T SEE IT AS A TOURIST
ATTRACTION, FIRST OF ALL BECAUSE
IT'S DANGEROUS.
THE NORTH ATLANTIC IS COLD,
PRESSURE IS ENORMOUS.
BUT IT'S ALSO SERIOUS BECAUSE
IT'S A GRAVEYARD.
IT'S NOT JUST THE RACK OF A
SHIP.
PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES DOWN
THERE.
THAT REALLY CAME HOME TO ME WHEN
WE WENT DOWN THERE.
WHEN WE APPROACH THE BOW, WE
TOLD THE PILOT TO STOP AND HAD A
MOMENT OF PRAYER FOR THE MOMENT
-- THE PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR
LIVES.
AND IT'S ALL COMING BACK TO ME.
I REALLY FEEL KINSHIP WITH THESE
POOR PEOPLE, FORCING ME TO JUST
RELIVE THAT TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE.
>> Heather: I CAN'T IMAGINE
WHAT IS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND
AS THESE DAYS GO ON, AND WE
CONTINUE TO COVER THIS STORY.
WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU
SHARING YOUR STORY.
I DO WANT TO JUST ASK YOU, IF
YOU EVER REALLY FOUND OUT WHAT
EXACTLY WENT WRONG DURING YOUR
MISSION.
>> THE SHIP OPERATED
BEAUTIFULLY.
THE SHIP THAT I WAS ON, THIS IS
THE BIG DIFFERENCE, THAT'S IN
GOOD QUESTION.
THE SHIP THAT I WAS ON, THE
SUBMERSIBLE WAS IN MACHINE
BILLED FOR A SERIOUS PURPOSE.
IT WAS BUILT ORIGINALLY FOR
SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH AND HAD BEEN
TESTED OVER TIME.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAD THIS
COLLISION, WE DIDN'T BREACH THE
HOLLOW.
WE COULD HAVE, AND THEN IT WOULD
HAVE BEEN GAME OVER RIGHT AWAY.
BUT IMAGINE THAT.
WE HAD THE COMMUNICATION,
BECAUSE THE MOTHERSHIP COULDN'T
DO ANYTHING FOR US.
IN THE END IT WAS REALLY THE
SKILL OF THE PILOT.
I'M REALLY GRATEFUL TO VICTOR,
OUR PILOT FOR GETTING US OUT
OTHERWISE I WOULDN'T BE HERE
TALKING TO YOU.
I WOULD STILL BE DOWN THERE
2.5 MILES UNDER THE WATER.
THIS SHIP THAT'S MISSING WAS
BILLED FOR TOURISM.
I KNOW NASA WAS INVOLVED IN ITS
DESIGN, BUT NASA HAS ISSUED A
PRESS RELEASE MAKING IT CLEAR
THEY WERE NOT INVOLVED IN ANY
TESTING.
SO WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS HOW
SCIENTIFIC THIS WAS.
I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS COMPANY,
OCEANGATE, I'M NOT MAKING ANY
ACCUSATIONS AND THIS IS NOT THE
TIME AND PLACE TO DO IT, BUT
SINCE YOU ASKED THE QUESTION,
THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH OUR
SHIP.
WE WERE JUST -- I WAS JUST
FORTUNATE.
I COULD JUST AS EASILY HAVE LOST
MY LIFE DOWN THERE.
THAT'S WHY I'M HOPING FOR IN
MIRACLE.
BUT THEY'RE SITUATION IS
DIFFERENT.
THEY'VE LOST COMMUNICATIONS.
APART FROM THESE NOISES.
AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THESE
NOISES ARE BEING GENERATED BY
THE OCCUPANTS, OR IT'S IT
TRANSPONDER, OR WHETHER IT'S
JUST SOMETHING, PIECE OF LOOSE
METAL OR SOMETHING DOWN THERE.
WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT EVEN IF WE LOCATE IT, HOW DO
WE GET IT UP?
THE FRENCH ARE STUDYING IN ONE
OF THEIR DEEP SUBMERSIBLES, BUT
EVEN IF THEY CAN LOCATED, GRAB
IT AND IF THIS FRENCH VEHICLE
COULD GRAB THIS VEHICLE AND
BRING IT TO THE SURFACE AND THEN
HAVE TO UNBOLTED IN TIME -- AND
WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME --
THEY MAY HAVE ALREADY LOST ALL
THEIR OXYGEN.
THESE PEOPLE ARE
HYPERVENTILATING NO DOUBT,
THEY'RE BREATHING HARD, UNDER
STRESS.
USE LIGHT -- USING OXYGEN FASTER
THAN NORMAL.
BUT AT THE MOST, IT'S TOMORROW
MORNING.
HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
HOW DO YOU TRIANGULATE TAKES 2.5
HOURS TO GO DOWN, GRAB HOLD OF
IT, INVESTIGATE, BRING IT RIGHT
BACK UP, ANOTHER 2.5 HOURS AND
UNBOLT THEM.
I'M AN OPTIMIST BY NATURE, SO
I'M NOT GIVING UP HOPE AND I'M
STILL VISUALIZING THESE PEOPLE
BEING BROUGHT OUT, AND WE CAN
ALL CELEBRATE.
THAT COULD HAPPEN.
BUT RIGHT NOW, I'M JUST BEING
HONEST, IT'S NOT LOOKING GOOD.
>> Heather: MICHAEL, THIS HAS
OBVIOUSLY BEEN INCREDIBLY HARD
FOR YOU TO WATCH THIS NEWS AND
TO SHARE YOUR OWN STORIES.
WHY DO YOU CONTINUE AND CHOOSE
TO SHARE YOUR STORY, AND KEEP
WATCHING?
>> HALFWAY THROUGH YESTERDAY, I
WAS TALKING TO MEDIA WHO WANTED
TO UNDERSTAND MY EXPERIENCE AND
HOW IT MIGHT RELATE TO THE
CURRENT SITUATION.
AND OBVIOUSLY IT RELATES
DIRECTLY TO IT.
I CAN GIVE PEOPLE AT LEAST AN
IDEA OF THE DANGERS AND HAZARDS
INVOLVED.
THAT'S WHY I DO IT.
HALFWAY THROUGH THIS MORNING, I
WAS TELLING MY WIFE, I DON'T
KNOW IF I CAN KEEP GOING.
IT'S EXHAUSTING ME PHYSICALLY
AND EMOTIONALLY BUT I FEEL AN
OBLIGATION FOR THOSE FIVE SOULS
TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THERE IS
STILL HOPE.
UNTIL WE KNOW FOR SURE WE'VE RUN
OUT OF OXYGEN, AND I WANT TO BE
IN MESSENGER OF HOPE.
I ALSO WANT TO BE THE VOICE THAT
SAYS, I HAVE BEEN THREW THAT.
I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE
EXPERIENCING.
ANYONE WHO'S CONTEMPLATING GOING
DOWN TO THE TITANIC, DON'T THINK
OF IT IS SOME RECREATIONAL
DESTINATION.
THIS IS NOT DISNEYLAND.
HAVE RESPECT FOR MOTHER NATURE,
FOR THE OCEAN.
IT'S MERCILESS.
IT'S UNFORGIVING.
AND SECOND, TREAT THIS SITE AS
IT SHOULD BE.
IT'S SACRED GROUND.
IT'S A CEMETERY WHERE PEOPLE
LOST THEIR LIVES.
THAT'S MY CENTRAL MESSAGE AND
THAT'S WHAT KEEPS ME GOING.
>> Heather: MICHAEL, THANK YOU
SO MUCH FOR THE TIME TO SHARE
THIS MESSAGE WITH US AND O
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