Published June 28, 2023, 2:20 p.m. by Naomi Charles
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good morning everyone and welcome to the
20/20 Sloan Sports analytics conference
my name is Patrick rose and I'm a first
year MBA at MIT Sloan and it is my
pleasure to present our panel
reinventing a business the future of
sports business this panel is part of
our business track and is presented by
Ticket Master and our panelists are Paul
Kane president of endeavor NFL on
location experiences
Amy Latimer president of TD Garden
Jimmie potaro president of ESPN Amy how
president and CEO of Ticketmaster and a
panel will be moderated by Abe madacorp
executive editor had sports business
journal
the panel will run for 45 minutes and we
will leave ten minutes at the end for
questions and for questions please feel
free to post them on twitter using the
hashtag reinventing biz and that's a bi
Z for biz and for questions the top
mentions will be forwarded to our
moderator and he'll be able to feel them
as we proceed with the Q&A session and
with that I'll turn it over to Abe thank
you good morning everyone how about
giving it up for Patrick and all the
students great job I also want to give a
special shout out to Jess Gelman and
daryl morey it's great to be back here
give it up for them for the great great
we're gonna have a great session we are
also going to take your question so at
any time ask the questions and we'll ask
them of the panelists reinventing a
business each one of these people and
their own verticals are reinventing the
way we experience sports in the future
either the live event experience the way
we access the live event the way we
watch the live event so we're gonna have
a really good fluid dynamic conversation
we can't start this panel though without
focusing on something I'm sure everyone
on this panel has spent the last 72
hours focused on and that is the corona
virus and its possible impact on all of
our businesses so I do want to start
with that and Paul I'm going to start
with you and we can just go down the row
of the concerns we have and where we
could see the impact on the business of
sports
sure so on location
the company that I'm the president of we
we create and present to consumers the
most incredible experiences at live
events sports being a major part of it
so since we're an on location a live in
the live sports business this the impact
is could be significant so we're
prepared in just wanting to understand
if consumers are not going to events
then we need to understand the impact it
will have financially on our business
and how we can better serve that
customer ami I mean you're putting on
live events both Amy's are you know in
the live event business why don't you to
chime in about what you're focused on
how could impact you Amy Latimer first
sure so for the TD Garden obviously we
are hosts hosting live events with the
Bruins and Celtics concerts and for us
right now it's about information one we
want to make sure that our associates
and our guests feel that they are coming
to a safe environment so the
communication to them about what we're
doing everything from taking the best
practices from the CDC and then also you
know we instituted new cleaning we have
a number of things in place really right
now for us it's been you know what do we
do from an operational standpoint how do
we communicate that to everyone and what
we're finding is that we're getting
really a lot of inquiries about
processes everything from clients to
potential concerts and they just want
the same information to make decisions
so we're preparing to make sure that
we're taking care of everybody and
communicating that out no no
cancellations are either drop-off in
attendance no right now don't we haven't
had we haven't had any events canceled
and and you know we're fortunate to be
in a city where a fan base is really
strong and they're still attending all
the events Amy you're in the live event
concert sports business any impact yet
yeah it's it to see I think similar to
Amy we're all working through this
together right in theirs right now I
think we're in this period of
uncertainty and that breeds anxiety but
we're seeing similar things right very
few cancellations right now the
fundamentals of the business are still
incredibly strong music's a little
different right because a lot of those
events are being played off in the
summer so some consumers are a little
bit and wait and see but we haven't seen
a material impact
business right now Jimmy potaro you're a
little different of course you have
people on site producing and directing
events but you also have a large at-home
viewership how is it how could it impact
you look I think like everyone else were
of course asking our employees to be
careful make smart decisions be safe you
know at the enterprise level folks at
ESPN and and and the Walt Disney Company
are meeting daily looking at things
through an operational lens business
lens workforce lens meeting with the
appropriate authorities regularly but to
drill down from a business perspective
we have not yet seen any cancellations
in terms of live events games nor have
we seen games moving forward without
fans which we're all hearing about you
you guys have reported on that potential
so of many other outlets but as I sit
here right now we have not encountered
that and so the games that that we're
covering still are moving forward and
and and there are fans you know in the
arena's no travel ban at ESPN no good
let's go down the road
biggest obstacle to reinventing a
business and one word is a me how I'll
start with you what's the biggest
obstacle to reinventing a business for
us changing behavior changing behavior
Jimmy internal alignment change adoption
I would say same thing changing change
behavior that's the largest thing and
then I'll start with Jimmy potaro the
biggest way that you've been able to
reinvent your business since you've been
in your role is what in what way how
much time do we I was thinking the same
thing yet all day I'm serious do you
wanna do one on one liner or do you want
no gig a give us the the broad strokes
of what you really wanted to go in there
in terms of reinvent at ESPN when you
got the top job okay yes p.m. we serve
the sports fan anytime anywhere and so
that you know we look at ourselves as a
as a multi-platform company obviously 40
years of great success on the
traditional television side and that
still remains a big priority of ours the
television business that NV PD
multi-channel video programming
distributor ecosystem is still very
viable and important to us at the same
time as I think everyone in here knows
digital is also a priority
direct-to-consumer having that direct
access to the customer and so in in
April of 2018 a month after I joined we
launched the SPM plus and fast forward
to today and we're very pleased with the
performance of that platform on last
earnings call my boss announced 7.6
million subscribers but I think more
important than that more important than
the sub number is just the product and
the experience you know with our focus
is on quality and so quality from a tech
perspective quality from a product and
user experience perspective and then
polity from a Content perspective you
know when I when I engage with that
product I check all three boxes like for
me it is it is the best digital sports
experience when I'm fight when I fire up
the app and I'm logged in the Angels
start singing for me you know having the
ability to to get my news right there
watch games have all the ESPN plus
original content and really is from my
perspective
a world-class sports sports fan
experience but again it's this idea of
running parallel paths continuing
continuing to invest in a business that
has served us very very well an
ecosystem that has served us well which
is the traditional television model but
a challenge business definitely a
challenge business right now
but setting ourselves up for the future
which is launch a product like ESPN Plus
which is a component of the ESPN app
that now sets us up for a day where we
have optionality if we do decide to
start moving more content over to that
experience how many we can see through
the stage how many in the audience are
subscribers to ESPN Plus give Jimmy a
focus group right here that's a pretty
good number I mean I got to say I'm
blown away by your signup numbers I mean
seven million subs I think is great and
I'm a big fan of the service I think
it's pretty frictionless and pretty easy
and pretty intuitive yeah without you
use the right word friction
you know the idea was let's be clean
let's be contemporary let's let's really
just get out of the way of the content
let's let the product get out of the way
but but serve it up in the right way
right content to the right user at the
right time be personalized and and like
I said it I feel like it's working right
now it's heavily consumed in my house
well Amy and I both have three boys so
we love your product so your children
consume II love it I mean they're
obsessed with the ESPN anytime my phone
is it's disappear they're on the ESPN
app or consuming some sort of content
and I will say I know they're not on the
panel but I think what ye ESPN Plus has
done for the UFC specifically like in
terms of just driving that interesting
volume around that sport has been I'm
pretty impressive if you if you before
you move out if you since you raised it
if you walk down the halls in Bristol
Connecticut or any of our offices around
the globe and you ask our employees what
our priorities are they'll say
direct-to-consumer ESPN Plus and then
the next thing they'll say is audience
expansion which is why really the
primary reason why we did to deal with
the UFC younger audience passionate fan
base it will you know bring in new fans
that might not otherwise have been
engaging with ESPN I want to get to the
young audience pretty soon the three of
you live event businesses all in
different ways how have you reinvented
your respective businesses Paul start
with you
so let's start with I spend most of my
career in the media side and what I
realized on the media side so much for
Jimmy is that if you can't be there
you're gonna watch it and that's where
media really came in the insight that I
myself and ever had was but you want to
be there and if you want to be there
what kind of experience do you want to
have so we looked at on location as an
acquisition that we closed two months
ago as an idea that we could take what
on location does which is in partnership
with all the major leagues NFL and City
Ballet's across all forms of music and
culture and can help consumers be on
site with not just ticketing but a
higher level of experience so think
about it as not only are you there to
see and experience the event but you're
there to meet and greet somebody you're
there with premium seating you're going
to get great hospitality so we looked at
that business since
okay this is a really fundamentally
great way to reach consumers especially
since the consumer trends show that 75%
of Millennials want to go somewhere do
something rather than buy something so
we thought we were right on trend the
second part of this is now how to
reinvent it so we looked at it and said
it's not just the experience it's
actually a product and since experiences
of what the trend is going to we have to
think about it like a consumer product
so there are three things we're gonna do
first thing is develop a brand that you
recognize so like for example Jimmy when
someone says you work at ESPN does
anyone ask you whether it whether they
ask you when someone asked me whenever I
work what's the first question they ask
you when they say oh I work at ESPN or
they say kids oh yeah when looking you
owe me I did that question a lot when
people and I'm sure you guys all have
similar answers when my team gets asked
when you when you you know I worked for
on location what do you do the first
question out of the mouth is wait a
moment what is on location explain that
to me to that point raise your hand if
you know what on location experience is
is in this audience so that's pretty
good so we got to raise it to the ESPN
Plus level that's our goal but what we
so we're gonna establish a brand whether
it's on location or something else that
you recognize that everyone in this room
says I know exactly what on location
does second is we're gonna develop a
product that is starts with the purchase
and ends with the brag meaning every
element of as soon as you decide to go
somewhere we want to touch you in a way
in bringing you into the event before
you ever leave when you get on site and
then when you get home that product that
we're going to build is going to be
something that you're going to think
about when you think about experiences
and then the third thing is we're going
to be relentless in making sure we're
bringing you in the most premium
experiences you've ever had in your life
across everything that you'd want to do
live so we're in the middle of that
transformation now we've only owned the
business for two months it's really new
however we're making fast inroads in
terms of all the different elements and
you're gonna start seeing the results in
the coming months and for the audience
your biggest assets are obviously we
have the Super Bowl the n-c-double-a
Final Four we've got
all the major golf events all the major
tennis events all the music events
across the country you know that you can
think of we do work with but more
importantly New York Fashion Week freeze
UFC you name it everything that you want
to do we can help bring you to it and we
can create bespoke events too that are
off our grid that you may want to do on
a personal level we can create those as
well your business has always been a
pretty traditionally run business go to
Ticketmaster get tickets go to events
now you've had to change that and you
said the biggest reluctance or the
biggest obstacle is people kind of
resisting change yeah we think about it
that so Jimmy use the word friction
which I think many people would think of
when they think of ticketing the
industry's basically work the same for
decades right so it's ten o'clock and a
Friday you line up and you know big
imbalance between supply and demand race
conditions to try to get those tickets
there's box there's brokers trying to
get them you get the ticket you get an
anonymous barcode you have no you can do
whatever you want with that barcode and
then you enter the menu with a paper
ticket right I mean that's that's kind
of how the industry has worked for for
decades so in the last few years we've
we fundamentally changed that right so
the the presence technology and now this
year with the evolution of safe tix
which really fundamentally changes that
barcode we're solving what we talked
about is the identity problem right so
for years you know who bought the ticket
but you have no idea who is at the venue
right which means if you're an artist or
a sports team or Broadway producer you
really don't know who your fan is so in
solving that identity problem it
fundamentally transforms what we can do
with the fan experience it gives you
know venue operators and content much
greater control to really engage those
consumers in a personalized way so lots
of great opportunity but but it's hard
or change you're changing an industry
that has worked the same way for 20-plus
years and not to flatter present company
but you know I've been in this business
a long time and the the adoption of
change at Ticketmaster at the company
has been well known well discussed and
well received you seem much more open to
the whims not the whims the demands of
your clients and the venues and the
teams to take on some of these
challenges cuz Amy you want to know
everybody who's in that venue and their
behavior
man not a win right yeah arch is a very
semantic climb but a very good one
yeah hundred percent when I have been in
this a long time you were closer to
who's in see 25 years ago Paper Tickets
we had two communications with Berlin's
season ticket-holders
here's your invoice for the season
here's your invoice for the playoffs
right food didn't change drastically the
experience Gideon now I look at the 25
year transition and everything has
changed and the demand for identity is
so important for us so it's important
for us to make sure that we're meeting
the needs of the clients that are coming
in for you know from a sales perspective
if you're looking to profile those
clients to make sure that if you need to
sell tickets so you have those other
clients I mean even just coming into the
building we just invested in six you
know destination dispatch elevators
we're the only arena in the country that
has them that thanks to Ticketmaster
when you scan your ticket it tells you
what elevator to goes who and you're
into the building so we all have a
frictionless goal that we're looking for
and the demand and the experience the
guest services like every single aspect
of this change and you have to change
not only your decision-making process
but we had to change bricks and mortar
like we have to change how that building
right looks and operates and and just
trying to meet the continuing demands
yes some of you in this room don't know
time before social media and we'll get
to it but that has changed how we
actually make decisions and respond you
know what's still male we didn't even
have the email when we when I joined
that group there are some numbers of you
with their professional sports teams
NFL's and the NBA teams right where are
you seeing 95% mobile entry right 95% of
consumers are entering the venue with
their device where 85 right now you're
85 yeah we were we were eight percent
four five years ago that's rapid Wow we
created a special door just if you would
please use your mobile and we and was 8
percent adoption and now it's you know
it's 85 and really probably because we
haven't taken some of our suite clients
and other people and and transition them
to mobile but you've also I mean we've
been forced we collectively as an
industry
been forced to make these changes
because the consumer wants more and it's
far easier to stay at home and really
experience ports through your
programming than it is to go to the live
event sometimes it's really not easy to
go to the live event well I think it's I
would actually twist the language guide
from forests doing to inspired by the
consumer interests because I think the
consumer as you're watching what
consumers are interested in they kind of
like the mobile ticketing they like the
ease of it and also when you give them
those surprised and delights through the
platforms then they think it's a benefit
if it's if it makes their whole
experience easier whether it's ordering
food or getting information or finding
about other things happening in the
venue that they'd want to engage and
that's where our business really comes
in I love and it's I'm excited about the
technology piece of this for two reasons
one is it'll built helped us build a
better product and relationship with our
consumer and two is it's going to better
help us serve our partners you know
we're venue partners we're partners with
people providing events like what
Jimmy's doing and we're ticketing
partners because Amy is a big partner of
ours too and for us to share the
information across all the different
channels that's gonna make all of our
businesses stronger look just to give
you a sense in the last two years for
the NFL alone they've had the between
the league in the clubs they have
identified five million fans and they
didn't know before right so your ability
to get to go and understand who are
those five million fans I've got a VIP
premium consumer I've got somebody who's
buying at the last minute I've seen
somebody that I've never seen before in
my database so how do you start to
develop great products and programs and
use that you know it's not just
ticketing to sell ticket but it's
actually driving your business in other
ways and if I could add it's not just in
the venue like our footprint has grown
right so we just implemented an app that
is for the development that we have out
front the retail space so it's not just
when they enter in your building you're
trying to do the street to see from a
much farther distance than you are just
waiting til somebody goes for your
turnstile so you want to know them in
advance and what is going on and what
they're doing before they come to the
event I will agree with you Paul that
the benefits far away the challenges but
getting people to adopt to mobile can be
a challenge for the franchises and the
team operators I know that but once it
happens
it generally goes personal question and
and here's the thing is that there's
always gonna people that are gonna drag
behind so this is my third industry I've
been in that's been through
transformation I went through I worked
in print and I helped that organization
move from a magazine to a multi-platform
offering I worked in radio where we went
from terrestrial into digital streaming
and on-demand now in this experience
business I'm watching the same thing
happen where there's groups of people
that are going to stay in the in what
was and want to hold on to it then there
are those people like the people sitting
in front of you that are going forward
into what's the future that's what's
gonna change everything and we're gonna
look back and think about it isn't
obvious but at the time you know right
now it's all about connecting those two
points one of the conversations I had
recently was with a high-level executive
and I want to start with Jimmy on this
the need to get younger okay and the
focus on youth one Commissioner I spoke
to is like most of their time is trying
to figure out how to make their product
more relevant to a young audience I mean
I know you're spending a lot of time
yeah so so again top priority for ESPN
and and so if you look if you just take
a step back and you look at the younger
audience right now and and and and
what's happening out there there's
there's a lot of multitasking obviously
there's a move from the bigger screen to
the to the smaller screens there's less
of an appetite to watch nine-inning
baseball games or full games and and so
what we're doing it we're not sitting
idle right you know status quo is a
recipe for disaster or at least a recipe
for irrelevance and so we are very much
looking at an open world where we're not
necessarily taking the approach of if
you build it they will come we're saying
we need to be where the younger
generation is right now so you know I
just a few years ago we may have taken
that approach which is put all of our
resources resources and investment in
are owned and operated properties and
obviously that is still the number one
priority for us but we are also doing a
fantastic job on Instagram
we have a native sports center that's
available on on snap we have a great
presence well over 3 million followers
on
tik-tok in a very very short amount of
time so there's just this idea of going
where the fans are and then hopefully
this is rising tide concept where we're
able to introduce our content our brands
our products on those platforms and then
have them spend more time on
owned-and-operated so a couple years ago
I was speaking at a sales conference and
we were just starting to really engage
around this topic and-and-and-and and I
made the point that I just made and
afterwards some folks came up to me and
said you know I just want to want you
know I have a couple teenagers and they
were introduced to Sports Center on snap
and as a result now they're watching
SportsCenter on traditional television
so right that that's exactly what we're
going for here but again we're not we're
not looking at these social platforms as
marketing vehicles we are actually and
we're also not just taking what's airing
on traditional television and cutting it
up and throwing it up on Instagram we
are creating native experiences on these
platforms we just hired a guy named Omar
Raja who have created house of
highlights and he's now he's not
responsible for many things but one of
those things is SportsCenter on
Instagram and he's doing a fantastic job
there so just being open I think is
point one point two is how we're
covering the games you know it can't
just be the way we've been covering the
games for the past 30 40 years you know
we need to we need to be innovating and
try new things and not being afraid to
fail and so a couple of examples there
are you know putting mics on players aim
you and I were talking about this
earlier you know for spring training
baseball we've had a lot of success in
terms of giving the younger generation
access to players we hear repeatedly
younger generation wants access and
authenticity so for me I hear that you
hear those words I immediately think
exposure to athletes while they're on
the field are are on the court and so
we're doing that you know we had Kris
Bryant and Anthony Rizzo miked up for a
Cubs game recently and it was gold for
us and I have teenagers I pressure test
this in my own house and you
i watch you know they will not turn away
when players are might you know I grew
up with this with NFL Films they've got
a fantastic job there you know if you
hear Joe Montana at the line of
scrimmage you cannot pretty cool change
the channel and so we're really leaning
into that and then just beyond just
putting mics on players which is just
one little example it's you know what
are we doing in terms of data and
analytics so in focusing on Major League
Baseball for a second we have we have a
product called statcast for the home run
derby and our one wild card game we give
fans an alternative way to view the
broadcast looking through a data lens so
trajectory and and by the way that that
has worked really well for us we've
gotten great feedback from from fans and
from the media and so we're gonna be
doing five more regular season baseball
game to a Hubble Yankees Red Sox game
regular season game this year will will
have an alternative broadcast will have
the primary game on ESPN one but will
have an alternative broadcast on ESPN
two which is really focused on data and
analytics so of examples and so as we
all as a panel as a whole as we look at
the panel topic of the future of sports
business do you see that type of all
players not all but players being might
multiple broadcasts of the same events I
mean in the future of the broadcast
experience do you know a lot of this
depends on the league in players and the
uses exactly you can't just do it though
I know we would never do anything
without partner as closely with with the
league's but yes I believe like if you
look at what we're doing with the WNBA
like we have real-time access for
regular-season games to these women and
it's fantastic feedback has been off the
charts
so yeah fast forward five ten years from
now Abe and I expect this to be much
more commonplace I will say the XFL I
really I like what they've been doing
with a lot of that give the audience a
feel for the future of the fan
experience in a venue what's going to be
entirely different either access ingress
egress food order what do you see being
really difficult I think I'm just
building off of what Jimmy was saying is
that you know the first of all the
athletes they're gonna drive that
decision as well because they are part
of the market and they understand what
it means to have direct connections
because they were fans too and they're
gonna realize what that connections all
about also what consumers have learned
especially Millennials and younger have
said is we expect direct access that's
what Instagram met direct messaging is
all about I can I can direct DM my
favorite athlete and get a response and
they'll actually talk to me yeah so the
building on that expectation is in the
live experience you're gonna expect to
have that relationship as well you're
gonna have that open forum and when you
don't get it it'll feel disappointing
there for the athletes gonna know that
that connection is important for their
business their brand and their future
which is part of their where they're
going the value of the other pieces of
the business beyond what's on the field
for them so we're building on that so
what we're seeing the future is is
helping you immerse yourself into
something that you want to do when
you're on site and to make the fullest
of the experience whether it's day of or
weekend of in the major events like the
Super Bowl that actually starts unlike a
Thursday when we when we do live events
and dinners and private parties and meet
and greets and you're on the field and
you're going into the locker room and
you're going on tours all the way to the
actual game itself you're flying in my
favorite part is if you're let's say the
Eagles fan imagine a moment going to the
your Super Bowl in a long time you drive
into the parking lot you get on a team
plane and then you land in in a venue
and you experience it with the with the
fans the athletes the coaches and then
you come you're on the field to the
celebration and then you come home on
the plane and you're in the parking lot
with Eagles fans that is amazing and
that's what we do well those experience
though be accessible to all they sound
very with all due respect very elitist I
love that and I'm glad you asked that
question because yes because there's all
different tiers of it there's always
going to be that bespoke experience
that's going to feel like that
aspiration and then there's gonna be the
ones that are more accessible the
analogy I keep drawing is it's similar
to an airline jet there's the first
class and then there's coach but these
you're still on the same jet getting
from place to place we are we are
expecting to create the same similar
high-value experience
some bespoke experiences no matter what
your dollar and price point is it's not
just about large dollars it's about the
emphasis on the experience so if you're
not if you can't get the top experience
we want every experience to deliver that
same delight and surprise I go to yeah
go ahead and I was its personalization
right and it's not just for the big
events but it's for every event so when
you know we just created this new
product that it's flexible we said you
know built for the Millennials but
there's no I'm gonna buy this seat and
you're gonna sit in this scene we're
gonna sit here and that's gonna be our
43 game experience right that communal
be able to move around have the food
change every month have different
experiences like people want to say this
is the content I want this is the beer I
want this is the experience I want with
my friends I want to be able to be
flexible I wanted to be able to make my
decisions last minute you know those are
some of the just daily you know there's
the big events and then there's you know
86 home games worth of and 40 events
concerts that people want to be able to
they want what they want and we are
doing our best to try to meet them in
the middle to deliver that and that's
just a continual evolution and it is
from getting into you know I drink this
beer or I have that it's it's it's a
it's a it's a demand I think it'll be
interesting to see this Jay I think you
guys published an article that said
there's this year alone there was eight
and a half billion dollars of capital
that went into new venues are opening
right so v Stadium and in LA in
Hollywood Park is gonna be opening this
summer I heard a stat on if it's true
but somebody said that Hollywood Park is
actually bigger than the original
footprint of Disneyland right so imagine
the it's not just about the actual the
game experience or the concert but how
do you extend that right and
unbelievable entertainment experiences
outside of that so I think the options
are partnering with some of these state
of Ihram venues and to figure out you
know the art of the possible and how we
we really can reimagine that experiences
there's a lot of runway there and so
with Jimmy picaro's boys go to TD Garden
in 2013 to watch the Bruins the biggest
change for their experience will be what
just ultra personalized personalized and
I think fast right that nobody I think
the the idea of like we just spend a
hundred million dollars and we had a
bath
there's no ROI but it wasn't about
bathrooms right it was about making sure
that people could get an out and
increasing the applet and and and you
know we weren't about to open these new
grab and goes and that your experience
is gonna be very quick I'm going to do
my credit card and basically grab my
product so I think it's it's they want
to have that personalization look the
best thing about live sports right now
is that people want to go and they want
to be with people like people and have
that experience that communal experience
so we need to make sure the product that
they're seeing is strong and we don't
control the product so it's all those
other touch points that they get
everything that they you know want to
experience in that time frame and that
they leave with this whether the team
won or lost that they had a good
experience right that they just felt
fabulous about coming in and it was easy
they just it's it's got to be easy for
him because I'm competing with you the
XFL I think it'll be interesting XFL the
PLL premier lacrosse great you see some
of these these newer leagues have an
opportunity to take risks that perhaps
some of the more established leaves so I
think it'll be interesting to see and
learn from them and how they're changing
the experience how does that product
change can you do some of these things
at scale and they're obviously engaging
their their players in a way that that
some of the professional teams does I'm
interested to see how those play out in
particular yeah I think that's exactly
right I think it goes back to almost the
first thing is what you asked us with
the differences it's the changing of
behavior you can't change everyone's
behavior overnight it starts with the
influencers or the first first groups of
people to respond and then it permeates
from there and as long as they get
exactly what they're seeking then
everybody's gonna follow in and learn
how to change behavior you cannot change
every single behavior in one time great
question here that I want to follow up
on because it's relevant I spend more
time in the in traffic than I do in my
seat how do you get me in and out of
venues faster Amy oh you want me to
solve the Boston traffic have twenty
minutes left you stop
what is it must eat less the biggest
complaint you get yeah so traffic is a
huge issue and listen we're fortunate we
are one of two arenas that sit on top a
train station with a with the T and we
have a lot of people that are already
downtown what I'm hoping is that there
you can expand the experience and we
just you know had a billion dollar
investment in this wonderful mixed-use
development which I think you know
everybody is going because you're trying
to you know if we can tracked people a
little bit sooner and have them have
some of those experiences and come in
and and extend that timeframe a little
bit for some that's a possibility but
traffic is a real issue I mean it's
awful in Boston they'll tell you it's a
it's a big challenge so just trying to
be flexible you know changing times
doing whatever we can to make sure that
we can get people in effectively because
you don't the whole idea is not to miss
what they came for they don't want to
miss the first three songs of a concert
they don't want to miss the the tip-off
or they could miss a goal in a hockey
game and that was it Jimmy this one's
for you
eustress ESPN plus is it's it's the goal
to acquire more rights or to currently
develop the assets that you currently
have yes both opportunistic we have the
best programming a rights acquisitions
team on the planet they've been doing
this for a really really long time and
so we're we're being strategic in terms
of what's available you know a lot of
sports rights are not available because
we and our competitors have them already
but when things do come up as we talked
about UFC top ranked boxing etc we're
being opportunistic so but the content
is is is part of the equation as I said
before but also making sure that we're
constantly improving the product so you
know the content you got the user
experience and and and both our
priorities there's a lot of rice coming
up you know in the next three to five
years well Jeff which could be
attractive to Plus correct and you're so
far you're not seeing any properties
reluctant to go on Plus no quite quite
the opposite I mean especially when you
announce 7.6 million subscribers people
understand that this is not a niche
product right there there's their scale
to be had there
good question here from the audience
real quickly if anyone wants to jump in
what are you learning from the XFL said
I think it's still early days but the
demand has been has been great right I
mean the what I love about the XFL is
it's it's more accessible right the
entry point for an XFL ticket is is very
affordable you know they're trying to
change the experience and make sure that
you know the average American can can go
to sports which is fantastic right I
think that's that is one of the
challenges that the sports injury
industry faces is I mean anytime you
have an imbalance between supply and
demand the price of the tickets continue
to go up so I think XFL PLL these are
great opportunities for to broaden
access to to more consumers I look it is
a great place to experiment with the
with the XFL ticket price we haven't
done a deal with them yet but what a
great place for us to really dig deeper
into what the pressure test the the
depths of an experience what we can
actually do and how we can bring a fan
at a lower ticket price into a higher
level of experience it's going to teach
us a lot I would I would just chime in
there and say we have not talked about
this yet which is miracle sports betting
you know if you watch an exit fill game
right now at the bottom you'll see lines
and spreads and over-unders and and I've
actually had fans tell me that that
they're sticking around because they
want to see if the games gonna beat the
you know the over got it and so I'm sure
the league's are paying by the way we're
really only doing that right now with
with the XFL going back to my point
before we would never do that without
without lis consent and partnership but
I'm sure that they're paying attention
to that and for the audience's
edification I would say that we're still
in the middle of the first inning on
sports betting and its incorporation
into the sports industry do you guys
disagree do you have a different point
of view on where we are in sports
betting no it's the top of the first and
in my opinion we're just getting going
here and what an opportunity for
everyone I mean especially as you're
thinking about being more relevant to
the younger generation when you're
talking about expanding your audience
look if we did if we did absolutely
nothing here from an ESPN perspective we
would benefit more people invested in
the game more people watching which
which is good for business but but we
are absolutely not sitting idle here we
are investing heavily in the space
couple questions here still on
coronavirus Amy how with all Amy
Amy how and Amy Latimer a couple of
questions here about with the regulation
saying sits stand six feet away from
someone next to you lack of contact
quality of food how can you think really
and guarantee fan safety I'm not sure
what we can guarantee I think that we
are trying to do the right thing for our
fans and our associates and taking all
the the best practices and it's it's a
learning process I think for all of us
right now but I think putting we're
gonna sit back and wait I think trying
to be proactive and and and putting our
fans in the best place possible with
what we know is is what we can do right
now I agree with I mean listen at the
end of the day we have an obligation to
protect our fans our artists our
employees so that's job number one and I
think similarly we're all working
through this together working closely
with authorities and and making sure
that as we get better and you know more
informed about what's going on that
we're making the right decisions it's
it's early right question here I'm not
sure I fully understand it I think Paul
could be best for you with so many
options available for fans and ticketing
how do you identify a unified fan base
well that's a great Dana data and
analytics right so frankly and you know
that's we we didn't speak about it
really a lot on the panel yet but the
data and analytics underpinning of our
organization is going to be pretty
significant that's a big part of the
build we're doing right now is the
technology the data understanding how we
can apply behavior and information I
mean we're not they
it would be wonderful if our mobile
ticketing or RFID type systems could
help us deliver information that gets
allows us to serve our customers better
to give them opportunities to help them
to discover the opportunities a little
bit more customized you know so we have
a vision for a time where you're gonna
be able to we're gonna be able to
understand enough about you to help you
understand more about us and it's not
not designed to be creepy it's designed
to be frankly better serve and and so
we're that's our aspiration and using
the underpinning to do it
there's a lot of good progress made
right now in terms of understanding how
consumers want to behave and and and
help them understand it you know there's
an old adage that people don't know what
they want till you show it to them and
then once they show it to them they
react and tell you if they want they
still want it and as you go through that
that the level of data and analytics is
going to be significant we're making
huge investments in this space right now
right so there's a lot of discussion
around that how do you get that single
point of view into the fan so if you
know you start without a sell the
insider on ticketing and then your
ability to append that with third-party
data sources so you know you know
there's 300 400 attributes you know
about a consumer all obviously within
appropriate you know data privacy rights
but your ability to take that and
whether it's your sponsorship division
or your consular division or ticketing
how you leverage that platform right -
really - both change the experience but
to you know to drive your business in a
way that you've never made so because
you didn't have that single point pretty
powerful that that's gonna be a huge
addition to this industry right on you
know I would say you know the media
industry the financial industries they
have been deep in on data and analytics
for a long time and they've been
applying it from almost day one this
industry is going very fast into it and
I think our collective investments in
there are pretty insignificant good
question here it's a little broad but is
there one technology out there that
you're particularly excited about and
they mentioned VR AI machine learning is
there anything out there particularly
that you're excited about that you think
could impact sports business I think all
of its gonna impact sports besides
ignition right but the most I think the
most important thing is going to be us
as
close to the individual the full scope
of the individual whether it's through
RFID or a UI identification everything
else that we can get to understanding a
person and then you applying AI to it is
going to be the next level having the
level of intelligence that innovative
creative thinkers in the technical
engineering space is going to help us
apply and then get machines to help us
make that better that's going to have
significant impact it does start though
with understanding the consumer we have
about 10 minutes left this is where I
told them we would go to rapid fire
quick questions I'm asking for even
quicker answers so I'm gonna start this
one probably won't be real quick but I
do want to start with Jimmy and Bob Iger
the news I'm Bob Iger and if you read
one book this year I would suggest all
you young people read Bob iger's book
what I mean talk about someone who
reinvented a business right you're you
worked with them closely what is the big
that's too hard but learning from Bob
Iger that you can share with the
audience was you look 10 years ago I was
at Yahoo very very happy there and and
and Bob and I met and it was not looking
to leave but you spend five minutes with
Bob and you say to yourself this is
someone I want to work for that's what
happened to me so I joined in in 2010
and I've been working directly for him
ever since and it's been the best ten
years of my professional career by a
mile
bob is calm he's thoughtful he provides
air cover when you need it he's not a
micromanager
and say the things a couple days that
I've learned from Bob that are most
important would be first optimism we've
talked about the challenges you
mentioned them before Abe in our
business but you know no one wants to
work for a pessimist and and so you know
Bob and I speak literally seven days a
week we have for the entire time I've
worked for him and and there's always
this this this atmosphere of optimism
and so I try to make sure that cascades
down throughout our organization yet the
other thing I'd say is is
decisiveness which is a pretty awesome
combination to have from a boss an
optimistic boss who's gonna make
decisions and not just ask for another
meeting and so I'll walk into Bob's
office and I'll say here's the issue and
and we'll talk about it and one of two
things will happen you know you either
say your call I'll support you either
way or he'll say which is very rare
he'll say here's what you need to do but
but usually he and I will align very
quickly so I'd say optimism and
decisiveness that's really good stuff I
want to move on to the but I will say
that book was great it's a great book
you were very lucky to work with him as
long as you have great you've also
worked with Bob a lot to the news Shea
Peck yeah so so we announced a new CEO
and he was the gentleman who was running
the theme parks but in 2014 or 15 I was
running what was called at the time
Disney Interactive which was one of five
segments at the Walt Disney Company and
Bob chihak was moving over to run the
theme parks at the time he was running
consumer products and so he and I got to
know each other really well during that
process because I ended up taking on the
consumer products business that he was
moving away from so we spent a lot of
time together we both sat at Bob's table
Bob iger's table for many years right
next to each other so we have a good
relationship he's a big sports fan he's
very straightforward very direct and I
think we're gonna be in good shape and
about outside of the coronavirus cuz
we've hit on that I do want to ask the
panel a story in sports business you're
watching very closely over the next 12
to 16 months I'll start with you I'm
watching the media rights frankly as we
go forward because the impact on the
league's will be significant and that
that obviously impacts my business
sports betting it's coming in
Massachusetts soon it's already out in a
few states but the legislature and
everybody it seems things are softening
things some people came out really
strict and hard and it seems like
there's some retreat so in a good way
for the fans I think so I think that's
the most important thing for us right
now is it is becoming more and more two
arenas yes yeah the thing is we need to
be ready for what's gonna be nice is I'm
gonna bet on the neck who makes the next
free throw and we need to have the tech
now
Lachie enable to to give to give fans
that ability and that's you know that'll
take some time and that could be 5g into
technologies hard to yeah yeah no
latency Jimmy what story I'm gonna echo
that I'm sorry Maureen but what sports
betting look we're we're invested on the
news and information side but we're
starting to think about how can we to
use the term of the day how can we take
friction out of the process how can we
facilitate things and make it easier for
for folks to be placing bets a me you're
not gonna say sports betting I mean
listen I'm excited to see how the gender
equality and in sports plays out or
anything I think the u.s. women's soccer
team using their voice the progress with
the WNBA and collective bargaining so I
think it's you know women using their
platform to do great things in industry
there's going to be more of that and
candidly I welcome it finish this
sentence for me please Amy how I'll
start with you the sports industry needs
to do a better job of making youth
sports more accessible to everyone Jimmy
are giving fans more and better access
to athletes I'm gonna say diversity of
thought not just gender but just
diversity across other industries just
different people we need to we need to
infuse some other thoughts until I think
our industry yeah I agree
in addition to bringing in diversity of
thought people outside the industry I
also think that the sports industry has
to spend a little bit time looking at
all the other industries and learning
about the the trials and tribulations
they have gone through because that
could be an and probably will be our
future as well
Jessica Gilman I think was telling us
backstage about 40% of the attendees
students I'm sure all of them want to
get a job all of your jobs at one day
the advice Jimmy I'll start with you and
work out what advice do you give the
young people who want to be in the
sports business be curious you know it's
it's very easy to access information
right now so devour as much as you can
and then I'd say be patient you know I'd
say take the job you know you don't have
to hold out for the perfect job take the
job
get in there regardless of where it is
work hard don't let anyone outwork you
and and and then treat people well
people with respect and then be patient
be clear with your manager or managers
in terms of what you want to do what
your passion area is but at the same
time be patient I benefited from that
going back to my first conversation with
Bob Iger ten years ago I told Bob I was
a sports fan and ultimately I got the
opportunity to work for ESPN it's
telling him work that you're sports fan
work for you because sometimes telling
people if you're overly saying you're a
sports fan sometimes that turns off yeah
some people yeah it worked for me yeah
good your advice I say a few things one
is check your ego at the door to embrace
ambiguity you know you're not gonna
always have very clearly defined roles
so stepping into that is a great thing
and then three I think at some point you
have to realize that EQ and our cue
matter as much if not more than our cue
just being the smartest person in the
room sometimes isn't enough very good
Amy Latimer so I'm a big fan of raise
your hand for the job above your head I
believe that so many people are worried
about having exactly on their resume and
their job experience what the job is and
I think if you have 75%
raise your hand go in there make a case
you will learn the rest you will
surround yourself with good people I
agree being good to everyone else around
you is a quality that I think is is so
important and put yourself out there and
I agree also take any job right now just
if you're chosen to get into sports but
take it for the company that you believe
in their culture right because I think
the culture is so important for you to
be successful that how they celebrate
and how they treat their employees is a
really important factor so make sure the
that's for me that the best decision to
make
the advice I got yours when I came into
the the first stage of business had a
college was the advice I would just
stick with which is really simple first
of all be where the money is
so whatever job you take try to be as
close to the money as possible but the
second which is more important is don't
fall in love with a company name or what
the company is today fall in love with a
boss that you're going to work for and
the people that you're going to work
with because those are the
well that will make the company what it
is tomorrow if you fall into the love of
the company that it is today without the
other part of it more than likely you're
not going to be growing as fast as you
could and Paul just elaborate be next to
the money meaning be next to the money
meaning if you're gonna if you're gonna
be working in a company make sure you
know the ideas if whatever you want to
do be as close to why the purpose of
that company matters so if a company you
know with ESPN the company matters in a
specific way and be as close to that as
you possibly can and my company be as
close to the experiences who possibly
can't contribute to the experience be
exactly what the consumer is trying to
buy mine's far less profound but just be
beat early for an interview and be
prepared alright so one word answer hot
sport you're keeping an eye on Amy
Latimer oh the PLL I hope all rebels
yeah I'd love it I love watching it's
awesome interesting Oh XFL XFL Jamie
potaro this is good for you
NFL that's a hot sport for you still
NFL's a lot of growth here we have 8%
growth yes you know I'm with you I think
it's had a great run Amy how other than
my kids youth golf right now um I gotta
go with them XFL on PLL excited to see
how those leagues emerged we are in
Boston Tom Brady plays for which team
next year I will start with Jimmy potaro
easier to Los Angeles around she says
the Rams I like Amy Halley's the team
that he feels most comfortable with
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Patriots
absolutely I'm not participating Astros
I guess
my guess is he does not play for the New
England Patriots it's all made us Astro
scandal good or bad for baseball Paul
absolutely horrible new Yankee fan that
was awful and by the way sorry Boston
but it's just horrible as a fan of any
sport you know look there's a reason why
there are rules and sports is because
that's what the definition of how you
can eat as soon as you change and alter
that it's beyond the scenes it's unfair
and that's not what a sport is based on
kind of play by the rules Jimmy will
increase interest in baseball
definitely newsworthy I mean so many
people are paying attention to this and
we're seeing you know we're covering it
across all of our platforms so yes
definitely generating a lot of fan
interest maybe how it's terrible is
listen as a mom it just sets a terrible
precedent for the youth yeah great
session I want to thank the panelists I
want to thank MIT Sloan Jess Gelman
daryl morey but for Paul Amy Jimmy and
Amy we will be around today love to say
hi have a great rest of your day
see everyone
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