Published July 8, 2023, 10:20 a.m. by Arrik Motley
In modern times, cancel-culture has become the norm. What can we learn from the people of the Bible who got "canceled" for their actions, such as Ahithophel, who betrayed David?
Today's guests, Terry James, Mondo Gonzales, and Jonathan Brentner delve into this deeply timely topic and more!
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Skywatch TV is no stranger to the
unmerciful side effects of a culture
that often seems to break its own neck
in order to cancel delete make disappear
content that it wishes to silence it has
become a serious challenge here in
Western Society especially to broadcast
meaningful or substantive biblical
absolutions using the platforms these
very platforms that are almost entirely
hostile to those very beliefs without
the risk of course of being shut down
de-platformed canceled or all of the
above now this dilemma is certainly not
a new one and one that many individuals
in the Bible who were considered to be
bad guys understood very well is there
something that we as Christians can
learn from these biblical Rebels today's
guest is here to share some uncancelable
truths
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hello everybody and welcome to Skywatch
TV I'm Joe ardisorn we continue a very
special series on two new works from
Defender publishing this week again but
before we dive into that let me
introduce who's in studio he's a Bible
teacher with a master of divinity degree
from Talbot University retired Financial
business analyst and valuable voice in
biblical prophecy please help me welcome
Jonathan brantner
thank you
he's the author of countless
best-selling books that have been
distributed into the hundreds of
thousands of copies worldwide and a dear
friend of not only our ministry but my
family personally please welcome Mr
Terry James
now the two new works from Defender
publishing that I mentioned just a
moment ago first the new book by
Jonathan brentner cancel this the
subtitle what today's church can learn
from the bad guys of the Bible and we've
been talking in recent weeks about New
World Order the brand new book from
Terry James and Pete Garcia and I'm
going to read you the subtitle again
worlds in collision and The Rebirth of
Liberty and is that not what we're
seeing unfold all around the world right
now Tom we're talking about a world that
to me I continue to say appears to be on
fire
and those that are unable to discern
that I feel very sorry for I deeply
sympathize with those because to me if
you're still in the camp that we're
living out political days of normal
uh this is the status quo Red versus
Blue Team fight
you pull a lever sometimes that goes
this way you pull a lever occasionally
it goes that way if you still believe
that we're living in Old Americana that
this is traditional Politics as Usual
that there is no real threat of nuclear
war or World War III or a run on the
banks or the collapse of the dollar or
the value of the dollar I'm afraid that
you're not paying attention and that's
not a judgmental statement I'm not the
unilateral Arbiter of all things
knowledgeable or any of that I'm just
telling you my my opinion is if you're
not Discerning it you're missing a lot
you're missing a lot it's to me very
self-evident Tom and I said at the onset
this cancel culture you know Tom
mentioned I think it was last week's
program that that Skywatch truly has
been de-platformed canceled many many
times and I'm afraid to say that even
some of our Christian networks that
re-air the program have sent back
episodes that's too hot for TV they
describe and some of the programs that a
lot of the culture that would re-air our
program has issues with Jonathan our
programs where we've gone out to
identify the problems with sex with
with a child and those programs being
too hot for television Executives that
run a lot of these platforms simply it's
just too much we can't deal with the
hate we're going to receive to Simply
declare a truth like that that again to
me is self-evident but it's also a menu
of other things Jonathan that you can't
talk about cancel culture some of the
characters that you highlight in your
book cancel this
dealt with their own version of trying
to be silenced or canceled or were
thought of as rebellious or you know
what I'm saying yeah tell us about the
main features of your book canceled this
and why you wrote it okay yes and I
think we'll get to that aspect of how it
fits in with today's can uh cancel
cultures we go along but the book does
deal with some of the minor characters I
call them bad guys
um it ends with a good guy John Mark who
had an initial failure but he came back
to to be greatly used of God anyways the
book contains you know chapters on these
characters
such as King Saul and so forth and then
an application section where it talks
about what we can learn from them
obviously you know a lot of them made
poor choices
they had total disregard for God in his
word but yet we can learn from their
mistakes and then there's also a Walking
with God section in each chapter
that deals with how we can apply what we
learned about the gospel from them
obviously they didn't have the gospel
like we have it now but we can learn
things from them and then at the end of
each chapter on a character there is a
study guide section which has about
eight to ten questions in the the key
point of the whole chapter right yeah I
mentioned that in my ad it's a total
bonus value because the book cancel this
allows you to not only glean stuff that
you can take with you in your own
personal walk with the Lord but also
really designed tailor-made if you will
to be a part of a small group study
Through the Bible or maybe a pastor that
would like to work through some of this
content in this church and deal with
some of these issues that a lot of our
pastors have emailed in and said we're
suffering the same types of what they
would describe as persecution or cancel
culture Tom why did you decide to
publish the book cancel this what was it
about the manuscript that kind of had
your ears and your eyes up well you know
know it had me right from the beginning
it's been probably over a year ago now
that Jonathan brought this book up to me
this idea of the bad guys of the Bible
yeah right and then one thing led to the
other and ultimately it wound up with
the title canceled this what the church
can learn from the bad guys of the Bible
and one thing you were just saying Joe
about pastors Sunday school teachers
they could take this book since
Jonathan's already done the work for
them right really to outline this it's
timely because we are living in a cancer
culture and we not only have been
de-platformed we're constantly being
Shadow banned if you go type in one of
our headlines in Google you can hardly
get it to even come up because it's
their standard practice to cancel us
right so I just thought it was very
timely and a very unique approach that
would allow pastors they can get this by
the case we'll give them a big discount
if they do and then they can you know
use it in a a class setting or Wednesday
night bible study well let me add to
that too as a woman who has read the
book you know you you have uh it the
fact that the book is written by a man
and it says bad guys on the cover please
do not assume that only men will gain
from this yeah I actually gained much
from this having read it myself you know
does it not say in the epistle to
Timothy the whole Bible is useful for
teaching and for proof so when you when
you look at that and you look at the
studies of that women are going to get
just as much out of this as men I
promise you that it's true so Jonathan
again I'll read the subtitle of the book
to cancel this what today's church can
learn from the bad guys of the Bible who
were some of these characters that you
wrote about okay well there's Cain of
course and Esau King Saul who was a
chief motivation for me writing the book
because I started studying him during a
difficult time in my life and yeah I saw
how much I was like him unfortunately
but anyways
but then there's there's joab who I
think we'll talk about here in a in a
moment theatricies in Absalom and
ahithophil you know and some of these
guys you know they they let bad emotions
drive them of course we have we these
negative feelings come to us once in a
while but these guys let them determine
their entire life they lived out as
though they were driven by these
emotions rather than God's word or what
the Lord would have for them you relate
to the story of Job to James 4 1-3 can
you explain the connection and why you
included that in this book okay let me
read the the first part of that passage
that says what causes corals and what
causes fights among you is it not this
that your passions are at War within you
you desire and do not have so you murder
in with the case of joab he was noted
for two primary murders one was was AB
who he viewed as a threat because Abner
after David had just ruled over the
southern Kingdom Abner came down let's
make a deal this you know why don't you
rule over the whole Kingdom and I think
and I believe that joab thought oh this
guy's after my job too and so he took
him aside and he murdered him and then
there was a Masa and they came at a time
when David was getting frustrated with
joab and so he wanted a master to lead
his army and of course then joab took
him aside in and killed him put a sword
into his his belly to be to be precise
but but anyways you know with this
passage talks about quarreling well
there's the main difference joab never
quarreled with anybody he just killed
them you know he didn't bother with that
anyways but still I think what it
relates to us is that a lot of times
there are things that we want and we see
other people as getting in the way of
them and I think that's what the James
passage is about and that's what joab
was about and that's what so many people
are today you know husbands and wives in
particular that you know they see their
husband or their spouse getting in in
the way of what they want and and
there's there's quarreling in I don't
believe that the people that James was
writing to actually related to physical
murder but there are other ways of of
killing people and you can do that with
you can do that with words and in
Proverbs 12 18 says there is one whose
rash words are like sword thrusts but
the tongue of the wise brings healing
and I kind of relate that in the book
that like joab sticking his sword into
the belly of the people he wanted to
kill people can do that with their words
and they can have blood on their hands
even though they don't physically kill
someone absolutely you look at the echo
Chambers Tom that so much of the world
is listening to I'm talking about the
corporatized if you want to call the
media or propagandist Chambers but you
listen to the Venom and the hatred the
serpentness of what they say and the
malice that's behind it if words do kill
power of life and death is in the tongue
and you can hurt people with words a
person like Kenny C would even say the
frequency of the enemy yeah with some of
these people that are very useful to
that malevolent agenda oh my goodness
Jonathan the the TV itself just turn it
off it's a yeah it's a source of just
constant bombardment negative negative
horrible hatred and then we wonder this
is a different show but we wonder why
our health our adrenals like our our
body our thyroids why we're in a
constant state of disaster so much now
there was a psychology today article a
week or two ago now but it was talking
about how uh the rise in teenage
suicides yes and how much this
generation has lost hope for the future
but they're relating it to a lot of this
cancer culture all the negativity and
and girls are especially affected by it
because it also has to do with the
parent oh for sure yeah and they take
their value in many ways from the way
they think they look if they're pretty
or they're not or they're overweight or
they're skinny or they're whatever so
can you kill people with words yeah
we're doing it a lot right now today
more in this culture I think than I've
ever seen before absolutely and Jonathan
you mentioned a couple of characters
that a lot of people may not be familiar
with a hitherfell as a character in your
book what do you think he exhibits in
terms of the dangers of seeking Revenge
as we're talking about this hatred this
vindictive nature the idea that you said
something to me I didn't like it hurt my
pride my hubris got stepped on now I'm
going to attack you back this kind of uh
you know you hit me I'm Teflon I hit you
back yeah what what do you think a
heathophel in terms of the character in
your book how does he exhibit some of
the dangers of seeking Revenge okay well
we believe that ahithophel well he we
know that he was the grandfather of
Bathsheba and most commentators believe
that's why he wanted revenge on David
because of David's sin with bathsheva
and of course killing Uriah or her
husband anyways one of the things that
you see about ahithophel is that he
quickly joined the rebellion of Absalom
and one of the reasons he did that is
that he was so angry he wanted revenge
against his best friend his former best
friend Dave David and one of the things
that that I bring out in the book is
that sometimes if you intensely hate
someone you start exhibiting their
negative characters and you see this
with the hitherfill because one of the
first bits of advice he gives to Epsilon
is to perhaps them to go into his
father's concubines on top of the palace
or on top of something and then a little
bit later you know he says I want to be
the one to kill David and there again he
was angry with David for his adultery
but yet he's promoting adultery he was
angry with him for his murder but yet he
wanted the murder so he was starting to
exhibit the same characteristics of the
person he hated and I think that's one
of the dangers aside from the fact that
that when when feelings like this
consume you it it destroys you how do
you think using that example of Absalom
and ahithophil relate to the a parable
of the unforgiving servant in Matthew 18
21-35 yeah I would think if there's one
Parable that that fits with so many of
the characters is that one of the
unforgiving servant because they always
saw the other person's sins is greater
than their own now it's very likely that
ohithophel had not actually murdered
anyone but still he had sinned against
the righteous and holy God with Absalom
he always thought that other people's
sins were greater than his yeah and so
yeah wow yeah and and I think that is so
crucial and I think it ties into to
eschatology as well as is I've thought
about it more and more and we might get
to that a little bit later but the
parable of the unforgiving servant you
just realized that that your sins are so
much greater against God and it it has
really helped me to forgive others to go
through that Parable you know lay in bed
at night and think okay okay my sins
against God are against the Lord are
worthless say 10 billion dollars it may
be the sins of others against me are
like ten thousand dollars or maybe a
thousand dollars or combined they add
the ten thousand dollars and it's
sometimes has taken many many times of
going through that scenario of having
the the different amounts in thinking of
people in my mind to really let go and
to forgive them but but it's really
helped me to forgive other people along
with the Holy Spirit and that's good in
the book I've mentioned that you know
I've seen people whose lives were
destroyed by bitterness and
unforgiveness but it takes it takes the
Holy Spirit and God's word to really to
really let go of it you know and I think
that you know Jesus parable there is one
of my favorites we need to be forgiving
but man oh man do we need forgiveness
for ourselves and how many every show of
hands or don't show your hands how many
of you ever worried more about what
something else did to a cost or some sin
you think you see in their lives and you
forget that maybe in your own life
there's this whole thing you're not
concerned enough about it no show of
hands but I think I'm I'll just say you
know I've been guilty of that in the
past worrying more about what somebody
else is up to rather than what's in my
own backyard well ladies and gentlemen
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getting back into it Jonathan before we
run out of time what do you think Saul's
impatience teaches us about waiting on
God in difficult circumstances I mean
how do you think these things relate to
the day in which we live now okay well
first of all you know we often get
impatient with the Lord and waiting for
him and know there was a time in my life
where it was really difficult for me to
wait for the for the Lord to turn things
around things have really gone Haywire
in my life and it was at that time that
that I started teaching a bible study on
these minor characters and King Saul
especially spoke to me and and some of
the things that I bring out in the book
about him looking at the excuses that he
offers we can see where his thinking
went awry went off went off the tracks
and the first thing is that you know it
teaches us to Focus On Christ not the
mess and I think that's weeks to today
because you know in a world we like to
talk about prophecy and what's going on
in our world but we still need to focus
primarily on Christ is coming for us
this hope rather than than the mess even
though we have to go into the mess to
talk about it our Focus needs to be
Christ that's right yeah yeah and then
secondly you know Saul was really the
first person to to use the idea of the
ends justify the means you see this well
if I offered this sacrifice it's going
to remedy the whole situation even
though he wasn't supposed to do it until
Samuel arrived and I think that you know
we have to avoid the reasoning of the
world such as it's going to get back to
normal and everything's going to be okay
it's not going to get back to normal the
third thing that Saul failed to do is to
hold on to God's promises because if you
look earlier in the book of First Samuel
you see that God made specific promises
that that the Israelites were going to
feet the Philistines that that he there
was going to be that and you see that
Jonathan his son did believe those
promises but his dad didn't and I think
that we live in a day and age where we
have to hold on to God's promises of his
coming you know first Thessalonians 4
First Corinthians 15 we really need to
hold on to those I read one of those
passages almost every week along with
Philippians 3 you know and Titus because
we you need to hold on to them you can't
just head knowledge doesn't work as
things get more more
um chaotic in our world and then the
last one was the trust God's person not
religious behavior and we see that we
saw it took me a while to recognize that
but Saul was trusting the sacrifice
rather than God he was trusting his
behavior and he thought well if I did a
b and c God will do this and I think
they need to be careful of that of that
reasoning because sometimes we can do a
b c thinking that oh God's really
pleased with me and it doesn't turn out
the way we thought it would right so
often it happens here's what I love
about your book and it takes it takes
these ideas that some people in the
church obviously not you but some people
in the world of theology want to over
complicate and you know focus on all
these little minute details and the
simple package sometimes gets missed or
overlooked you say let's bring it back
to Jesus now here's what I love about
that as Tom is my witness you know me
Tom and Larry spargamino a couple of
years ago wrote a book called final fire
where we're looking at the signs of the
times when we're looking at the
socio-political religio political
climates and all the changes that are
happening in the world and we see a big
move of God coming I'm talking something
that that will mute even the Protestant
Reformation something that is bigger
than anything we've seen in 500 years
since the time of Martin Luther right
when this Jesus people movement comes
there are going to be younger people who
say I don't know what the Bible says in
that area well they've got you know the
church fathers that wrote of it in this
archaic English that's outdated by at
least you know seven eight hundred years
and then they have all of these other
complicated people over here and then
half the other books that are left over
don't pass the theology check we are
going to need when this next movement of
God comes here's the bottom line we are
going to need solid systematic
theological biblically sound teaching
and the way that you've done it is also
beautiful you say look here's the bad
guys right and here's where you are uh
the mistakes these characters made the
lessons that they learned during the
process of Correction or rectification
and how today's reader has more than
they think they do in common with these
Biblical characters wow it's absolutely
necessary for today
thank you Donna for your positive or
phrase of my book and good things to say
about it I do hope that my book can
speak to the people even the younger
generation yeah and I know that there
will be a lot of people saved before the
Rapture they are right now and after the
Rapture who who will benefit by seeing
how what they can learn from the Bible
in Practical terms yes great yes
yes
unfortunately we are all out of time
again but join us next week as we
continue our discussion on cancel
culture and the dangers of reducing our
lives to a simple list of do's and
don'ts you're not going to want to miss
it for everybody here in studio
everybody on panel Terry Jonathan thanks
again for coming back this week I'm Joe
Artis horn keep your eyes on the prize
which is Jesus Christ we'll be back
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today I wish to touch briefly on the
difficult times in which we live and
then move rather quickly to the hope
that we have in Jesus we know that we
live in perilous times and II Timothy 3
1-5 aptly describes these times in which
we live and starting in verse 1 of 2nd
Timothy 3 but understand this that in
the last days there will come times of
difficulty or perilous times for people
will be lovers of self lovers of money
proud arrogant abusive disobedient to
their parents ungrateful Unholy
heartless unappeasable slanderous
without self-control brutal not loving
good treacherous Reckless swollen with
conceit lovers of pleasure rather than
lovers of God now some might say that
these qualities have existed ever since
the time that Paul wrote and that these
have all been the last days and I guess
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