David Ornstein on the futures of Harry Kane & Mason Mount

foreign welcome back to Super Sunday

match day ahead of the final day of the

Premier League season Everton welcome

Bournemouth to goodison park knowing

that a win will guarantee their safety

for more on that and more on other stuff

uh who can be joined by the Athletics

Dave and alsey now good morning to David

you're well

very well thanks Vicky how are you guys

we're really well speaking on their

behalf of course uh look you are going

to be at goodison Park this afternoon no

doubt it's going to be nervy they've

lost on the final day five of the last

seasons which is a little bit of a worry

are you expecting them to survive though

yeah I think I do Vicky I think with

Sean dice at the helm and that crowd

behind them today we saw how they got

Everton over the line under Frank

Lampard last season but one of those

defeats you mentioned was in 2020

against uh Bournemouth Bournemouth

actually won at goodison but then went

down on the final day so from what I

hear around the Bournemouth camp that

day has not been forgotten and maybe a

bit of Revenge on the cards um I also

hear that they they didn't stay on

merseyside last night that they stayed

in Manchester at a secret location that

nobody knows about to avoid any

disruption so any idea that Bournemouth

may be on the beach already and that has

been suggested a little bit

I think can be scratched off I think

they're bang up for this they've lost

their last few games and they want to

finish what's been a good season for

them under Gary O'Neill on a high so it

won't be easy for Everton um but I do

think they'll have enough even if

Dominic Calvert Lewin isn't available

um and if they don't get that win then

you can bet your bottom dollar that

Leicester will be throwing everything at

West Ham and Leeds also at Spurs so it's

an enormous day for one of the Premier

League's founding members a team that I

think has been in the Top Flight since

1951

um it's uh it's Monumental and I think

either way

um it's going to be a day of high

emotion uh very contrasting depending on

the outcome yeah absolutely like you

mentioned it's 69 years that they've

been there in fact only Arsenal are on a

longer and broken stay in the top

division so how it sort of perilous a

position would the club be in if they

were to go down do you feel

oh it's massive Vicky for their finances

which are are already in a bad State I

think it's in excess of 400 million

pounds lost in the last four years

Farhad mashiri the owner has plowed in

what 600 million pounds of his own money

into Everton

um they are in a bad position

financially the Premier League is

investigating them of course

um they're Premier League Rivals wanted

an outcome to that case before the end

of the season that clearly hasn't

happened so this could drag on over the

summer through the courts

um of course there's a stadium being

built at Bramley Moore dock 2024

evertoner due to be moving in there and

uh dropping down to the championship

would have a massive impact on their

revenues they would see uh them drop

drastically Steve Parish wrote a really

good piece in the times uh I think it

was yesterday

about the financial impact it would have

on his Club Crystal Palace

um equally so Everton and the others but

when you're building a new stadium and

the finances that requires even with the

parachute payments it's no surprise of

reports that Everton have now agreed to

deal or mashiri has with MSP capital for

investment into the club because they

need money it's been a tough period

our audiences will remember that

um Alicia usmanov's sanctioning meant

that Everton lost some of their

sponsorship and there's a lot of

questions about his prior or you know

involvement in Everton full stop and so

yeah it's been a terrible few years for

Everton in that sense changes of

managers uh players coming and going

questions about their recruitment

there's been a lot of change behind the

scenes I'm sure more will follow

I think there'll be changes at boardroom

level two the board haven't been in

attendance at goodison Park since I

think January so we could see some new

faces there as well it's a massive and

uh really critical period in Everton's

uh history yeah we're talking about

players moving on David on Wednesday you

brought the story about Manchester

United being the preferred destination

of Mason Mount if he leaves Chelsea How

likely do you feel this is to happen and

who else could be in the frame in your

opinion

yeah that's right Darren my

understanding is that Mason Mount is

leaning towards joining Manchester

United if Chelsea agreed to sell him and

that talks are expected between the

clubs in due course of course they met

at Old Trafford on Thursday night so

there may have been some dialogue

between the hierarchies of both clubs on

that occasion we'll see if that

materializes into offers and and deep

negotiations

um

Chelsea of course have had a problem

over his contract which expires next

summer they failed to reach an agreement

for whatever reason he's one of the

lowest paid players at Stamford Bridge

they decided to park those talks until

the end of the season

so the conversations will be picked up

no doubt but a lot of water has gone

under that bridge excuse the pun and so

there'll be questions about whether

Chelsea are going to manage to get this

back on track um they won't let him go

into the last year of his contract so

it's going to be sign a new deal or sell

him which is pretty Stark for an Academy

player who is Chelsea through and

through Bible accounts and I think his

ideal scenario would have been to spend

longer there

um but it seems increasingly likely that

he could be leaving

Liverpool with the early Front Runners

um but of course they're not going to be

in the Champions League next season

Manchester United have always been there

with strong interest Arsenal 2 would

like to bring him to their Club but it's

Manchester United who have really step

step forward as far as I know nothing is

done or finalized at this stage but I

think that's the direction of travel and

those other clubs including

Liverpool Arsenal Thomas Tool on behalf

of Bayern Munich who has a credible

interest as well have been made aware

that Manchester United is at mount's

preference so it now remains to be seen

if they can strike a deal Club to Club

that's a stumbling block Manchester

United's ownership situation remains

unclear they also have other positions

as priorities too such as centerforward

so

it'd be really interesting to see what

happens in these weeks ahead but I think

um there's a high probability now that

Mason Mount will leave Chelsea David you

mentioned um hotels who've sort of let

this one drift and I find their position

fascinating I mean there's a point where

the ownership's relationship the fans

seems to fracture the honeymoon's over

for Todd bowling ballet

um do you think they can actually afford

to let an academy graduate you know fan

favorite go given the the politics of

the club at the moment

well it's going to be a highly

scrutinized decision either way

um one thing they can afford is

financially it would be

um a sort of quite significant moment

for them because he represents zero on

the balance sheet like all homegrown

Academy talents and products and so a

sale would um bring them huge profit

um they want 70 million pounds for him

let's see where it ends up if he sold

the feeling around Manchester United is

that a compromise may be reached at 55 I

think was reported by Sammy montbell in

the daily mail

um

I think the desire of the clubs that are

interested in him is more like 40 45 so

perhaps 50

55 is is something of a middle ground

where it may end up and and that will

really help Chelsea who have Financial

fair play challenges

um with June 30th the cutoff that's

hurtling into sight so we're going to

see a lot of departures from Chelsea and

clearly with the academy products Johnny

being able to raise most revenue for

Chelsea and we might look at the likes

of Conor Gallagher

um Trevor shalliber Reuben loftus-cheek

and others that there may be a lack of

sentiment there and more a business

approach taken to this for the Chelsea

ownership which will put them on a

tricky ground with with the fan base but

I think the results will

um dictate how they're viewed they're a

year into their ownership now that

anniversary has just passed it's

obviously been pretty controversial

tumultuous too with changes of managers

if if Maurizio pochettino had started

this season they would have had five

different faces in the Dugout which is

um extraordinary even by Chelsea's

historic standards and

um and so this is a key appointment of

of pochettino and I think that and how

they're doing the transfer market and

how they start next season will be the

true bearing as opposed to whether

Academy graduates stay or go it will be

tough for some many fans to stomach but

if they manage to get you know

pochettino in and things moving in the

right direction again

um some really good players added some

some players that are perhaps Surplus to

requirements out slim that Squad down

with no European football and really

start getting this project on track then

I think their popularity will grow that

they are hard-working

um the the ownership they are rolling

their sleeves up and trying to get

things done you can argue about whether

they've done it well and whether it

should have been them doing it they've

now got sporting directors in place

there's been so much change behind the

scenes after after their takeover

and if they don't get this right then of

course

um the eyes are going to turn on them in

a stronger way than we've seen in this

past year but I do think they've still

got a bit of credit in the bank

um however thin that that is in the eyes

of many

stick with the theme of transfer then

because we know that Harry Kane is

Manchester United

puns would it be better for everyone if

the deal is done early or do you expect

him to stay

and then your first point Vicky is an

idealistic view for for many involved

but um I don't think it's realistic

because

um Daniel Levy tottenham's chairman does

not want to sell Harry Kane and we've

seen that historically and we've been

given no reason to believe it's changed

their priority is to try and sign him to

a new contract

um some initial dialogue had taken place

when Fabio paratici was still there as

technical director

I think managing director of football is

his title

um him leaving means that those talks to

my knowledge have have not continued or

picked up or or gathered Pace in any way

shape or form they want to get this

season out the way they need to appoint

a new head coach and a replacement for

paretici

um and then Harry Kane is obviously

representing uh tottenham's biggest

asset the the best player their top goal

scorer their talismanic leader even

though he doesn't have the armband and

so Daniel Levy knows that it's near

impossible to replace him even if you

get a hundred million pounds for him

you're gonna spend what 80 plus of that

on a replacement who might not guarantee

you what Harry Kane does so all the

noises I was getting on Kane in in

recent months was

it's going to take a much much higher

fee for Tottenham to even consider

letting him go they'll carry on these

contract talks into next season even if

it takes that even maybe if it means him

leaving as a free agent and kicking this

can down the road and and addressing it

in 2024. you've also got Kane's position

in this Vicky we don't sense agitation

like we did when he came very close to

joining Manchester city that was clear

we all ran stories about it that were

well sourced that he wanted to leave and

and we're not hearing that now which

makes me think he's in a a bit of a

quandary what what opportunities do I

have elsewhere will Tottenham let me go

could the new manager bring the chance

of silverware which is what he's always

dreamed of competitive football at

Tottenham let's see on that front do I

leave in 2024 as a free agent and

finally take control of my own career at

a time where yeah I'm getting older but

I'm still scoring hat fulls of goals and

creating them as well perhaps I'll then

have my pick of clubs

um I look around and see you know

Manchester United heavily linked Eric

tenhag is pretty clear would like to

sign Harry Kane but do Manchester United

as a club because of course

age-wise and value for money and their

ownership situation there's no resale

value on him it's a massive financial

decision that I'm not sure they're

convinced about taking especially when

there's other options ossman's very

expensive but Colo moani at Frankfurt

and then you've got herland and Atalanta

been heavily linked with him as well so

there are options there I always think

what what about Real Madrid and that's

been mentioned a bit in recent days with

Karen Benzema a bit less productive

however

you know they are said to have their

eyes on Killian and Bape if not this

summer then next summer so there are so

many moving Parts in this and it all

brings me to the conclusion that it's

not going to happen quickly and I think

it's more likely that Harry Kane stays

this summer than he departs okay

brilliant stuff is always from you David

thank you very much I want to stay with

that theme though of Harry Kane what do

you think because Jamie redknapp called

on him to leave this summer he kind of

said it's time what do you think yeah

it's funny it's striking how many

ex-players are yelling at Harry to leave

and I think that that's just recognition

within the game that this is a guy that

that deserves to win something I think

David touched on it though the thing

that never really gets spoken about is

is Daniel Levy's position and

tottenham's position and whatever Harry

wants to do the reality is that he's

still got a year left in his contract

and I do think that will what will

Define it will be what suppose want to

do with that if Daniel Levy wants to dig

in and keep him I think he'll keep him

he's done it before

partly because hurricane is not the kind

of guy that's gonna you know there was

agitation two years ago but it wasn't it

wasn't refusing to train it wasn't a

soap opera and he won't do that he's not

that type

I think Dave is probably right that that

if if Daniel Levy is going to try and

keep him we could be looking at next

summer and not this one but the likes of

United have to make a decision early

because what nobody wants is a Daniel

Levy summer where you're you're just

hanging on to hold us to find out

nobody wants is that trademarked

um yeah I mean I guess the stone statue

at the foundations haven't even been set

yet either so that maybe they need to

put that in place

um let's go back to Manchester United

then Darren because we were talking

about Mason Mount do you think he would

fit in there can you see that as a

outfit absolutely I mean lots of people

talk about his form having dropped off

this season but he hasn't played that

much

um he's had injuries here and there the

situation that Chelsea's being chaotic

it's impossible to gauge the form of any

player from the season that Chelsea has

had because they quite clearly are not

the the Chelsea of old and I think under

a different manager we'll see some very

different performances from a variety of

players at Stamford Bridge as we

probably will do under pochettino next

season but what we know about him as an

individual is that he's extremely hard

working he's extremely consistent he can

score goals he is versatile and you can

see all sorts of reasons why Manchester

United would want to sign a player like

Mason Mount but also also of reasons why

for my money this would be a massive

dropping of the ball for Chelsea to

allow him to leave he's talismanic for

the club he's emblematic for what the

club tried to do for many many years we

talked about the fact that John Terry

had been the only homegrown player at

the club and had been working incredibly

hard to bring through more players and

they have done that since you're going

to then have somebody like her Mason

Mount and sell him to one of your Rivals

who are competing for the same thing in

the Premier League to me that's

mystifying and now that the power is

with him with his contract expiring

Chelsea are helpless really to prevent

him from going elsewhere and as David's

been saying the only thing that they can

do is recoup as much money as they can

for him

thank you