Published June 16, 2023, 2:20 p.m. by Violet Harris
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we all know men are far more comfortable
talking about physical fitness than
mental fitness so today we've gathered
some of the biggest names from the world
of football
welcome they've agreed to sit down with
the Duke of Cambridge to try and change
that before we like officially kick off
can I deal with the one elephant in the
room what do we call you William come
William
yeah okay a Prouty having people are you
in this room talking about stuff like
this will genuinely make a real
difference to a lot of people so I
suppose that more honest we can be
willing to be frail and talk about
things that we have struggled with or
have that conversation with each other I
think that will really have an impact
tell us why
blokes sat together talking about mental
fitness why is that something which
really resonates with you why is it so
important to you I think guys in general
finding a difficult open up they find it
very difficult to talk about their
feelings guys see feelings as weaknesses
sometimes and they see that always gotta
be tough always gonna be strong always
got to be doing you know getting it
right and our stuff is look there's no
male pressure I think around around lots
are things suicide for instance is one
of the highest killers of young men our
age 45 lass have that's an appalling
stats this should be a turning point
where we can really kind of maximize the
reach and the potential of everyone
involved to pass that message on to guys
it's okay to talk it's okay to speak
about men's health everyone's got to
have mental fitness everyone needs
mental health we all have it we've got
to normalize the whole the whole
conversation I also think it's important
to just spot things and notice things so
as much as we as men in a dressing room
or men all over the world are being told
now you know the right way forward in
terms of how to deal with mental health
is to communicate talk to each other I
think there's a responsibility as well
to notice certain things that is
happening around you some of the
struggles that you've been talking about
are exactly the same sort of things that
people watching this will have been
through Danny you've spoken really
powerfully about being depressed
how did that manifest itself for you it
was just small things really because I
was injured at the time and it was my
first serious injury and you know my
team was doing really really well you
know and I was just start watching a lot
of I went part of it and England we were
doing well and I was going into training
really angry no I wasn't what I didn't
socialize for a really long time right
away from away from football I wasn't
going out I just didn't want to do
anything and I weren't sleeping as well
and you know looking to fall out with
with with anybody and it's quite
downward spiral and and then eventually
I told my my club doctor and then you
know he put me a put me on to somebody
and yeah and that's when they diagnose
me and yells on medication do you think
now looking back talking about it was
that the best decision you ever made
yeah if I hadn't done that then you know
you just you just never know you know I
was like my uncle he committed suicide
and he did have mental health issues and
shows what potentially can happen if you
don't confine it alone Danny talking
about things before the summer we talked
about the morning of the game about the
impact and how brave I felt he'd been in
speaking because it's not a weakness
actually it's a strength to be able to
talk about those things I don't think
you realized how how big an effect that
was gonna have on a wider scale did you
no no so I did an interview before we
was due to play Costa Rica you know the
morning of the game I woke up and I had
you know a hundred messages and it was
really emotional and a half time I was
running out and to come back onto the
pitch and you know two of their players
had stopped me in the tunnel and said
thank you for what I'd done and you know
that they've gone through something
similar and that's a massive moment for
that tap isn't it yeah well when that
happened I sort of realized how big it
was and you know sir it's definitely
overwhelming I'm in quite a privileged
position here with Danny because Danny
was in my dressing room as a kid when I
was a captain of the team and more one
of the leaders of the team and Danny
would come to me and other various
of the older pros in the team a very
young age and be like JJ I can't play
this weekend I need to go home I'm
missing out I mean I don't if you
remember kind of those feelings of
wanting to go back to Doncaster quite
often now were they warning signs kind
of when I look back that actually I'm
just not noticing it on my ignoring it
because I think you did you've almost
kind of went all Danny's was homesick
again you know wants to go but
essentially there was something maybe
building up there and you know as a team
we ignored and as a club maybe we
ignored and neglected at that point so I
think we have to notice things that
happening around us as well as though
yeah as a resolute - you know Danny
coming out and saying what he said and
I'm sorry to meet you the sort of the
center of this bit here Danny but you
know we need more role models coming out
and talking about it because in the
non-sporting world you know I'm trying
to get a lot of corporations involved so
you want chief executives of big
companies coming forward and saying well
despite my mental health issues I am
still CEO of this an enormous company
mmm it's a success story because there
are plenty of CEOs or plenty of people
who are in prominent leadership
positions or business responsibilities
who have had men's health issues but
just then talk about it yeah look where
they are bring it back to the sort of
competitive professional sports world
you know you you're trained and you have
hundreds of sessions of you know PT and
whenever trying to get the guys fit and
and and for the season but the mind is
never necessarily targeted so all the
limbs and all the body's got to work and
you've got on the hearts gotta goes for
the full 90 minutes but no one tackles
the mind so it's about this physical
fitness mental fitness it's just it's
just normalizing the conversation saying
that's you know we've got to keep an eye
on this because at the end the day this
is what does all the thinking and this
is what does all the sort of life this
you know these are just physical parts
but this is what this is what does all
the bits and so we've got to talk about
it and be aware of it
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