Are Marvel Movies Art?

in my recent Hellboy video I made light

of Martin Scorsese in Francis Ford

Coppola comments on Marvel well it could

be worse at least it's not Marvel movie

Martin Scorsese says I don't see them I

tried you know but that's not cinema

this led people to defend them in the

comments to me I didn't take much stock

in the comments from these directors

after all's coursezi said they aren't

even cinema which is definitely untrue

cinema is essentially just a movie so

saying Marvel movies aren't cinema is

like saying water isn't what it is that

by definition and Coppola comments that

they're despicable is clearly just his

opinion and not really worth giving too

much thought over but perhaps that's my

mistake

perhaps you should analyze this more

closely and look at what they clearly

mean rather than what they are saying is

the Marvel Cinematic Universe art

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so before we can get anywhere here we

have to ask ourselves one simple

question no that's not right art that's

it

what is art just the raw dictionary

definition gives us the expression or

application of human creative skill and

imagination typically in visual form

such as painting or sculpture producing

works to be appreciated primarily for

their beauty or emotional power a common

thing people are throwing around is that

dizzy as a major studio does not produce

art frequently citing the string of live

action remakes and Marvel movies

essentially producer our studio driven

movies and to make the argument that

Disney doesn't make art can seem very

convincing when you watch some of their

entries aims Sputnik can I eat your ride

home with you guys this is my last

chance to go home to my boy Sasha movies

like this the live-action Disney remakes

and the sometimes formulaic Marvel

movies can make a fairly compelling case

for these movies not being art but then

what are we saying is something like

guardians of the galaxy not to say art

go great you'll die why are you doing

this why

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yet something more director driven like

the room is what client I cannot tell

you it's confidential

oh come on why not no I can anyway how

is your sex life part of the problem is

the backlash Marvel is gotten not for

necessarily being bad per se but for

being too big and too influential

Avengers endgame made over 2.5 billion

dollars become biggest movie of all time

every studio out there is looking at

desi and wanting to do everything they

can to bring in even a fraction of their

numbers that is why every studio is

desperate to have their own samac

universe you could blame Marvel

Cinematic Universe for [ __ ] shows like

Tom Cruise's mummy movie or Batman V

Superman dawn of Justice

it's cherry

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movies are vastly more concerned about

setting up BIG's and Mak universes than

they are about being any sort of

standalone movie but that is also the

same as blaming Star Wars for space meet

me my system can fight you really built

something of marble it's not his fault

that everyone else is failing at his job

that being said there is still the idea

that these are corporate movies can

corporate movies have any artistic value

again not a clear answer when something

like Marvel was building up and Disney

was just getting started with Star Wars

movies there was a real sense of wonder

could they pull it off now multi-billion

dollars later we feel like old hat and

just the same thing on repeat so is it

possible for Disney or any studio to

produce art after all they aren't making

movies for love the craft they are

making movies for money but then we also

have movies like Schindler's List

The Matrix The Silence of the Lambs even

movies by Copeland Scorsese like The

Godfather and Goodfellas are these

movies not art because a major studio

backed them I guarantee you they didn't

back the movies because they thought it

had artistic merit they backed them

because they thought would make them

money so perhaps it's not so simple

after all the movies I listed have a

very strong directors voice behind them

so maybe it has less - if the production

house or distributor and more ado if the

director then we have James Gunn's

guardians of galaxy movies Tycho ITT's

d'Or Ragnarok the Russo brothers with

their Captain America and Avengers films

Ryan Coogler with Creed and black

panther Joss Whedon with the first two

Avengers even Zack Snyder with Man of

Steel and Batman V Superman the Sam

Raimi spider-man trilogies these are

movies where the directors voices are

very prevalent they are also movies made

by major studios you also have directors

like Eli Roth and Michael Bay many would

agree these directors have made some

very questionable movies

however they also make movies of a very

clear directors voice present that's the

thing all movies in one way or another

are art they may not be good art or art

in your taste but they are all very much

art there's an expression art is

subjective this is not to say that the

existence of art is subjective but

rather than every piece of art hits

everyone in a different way what moves

everyone is different many people

dislike guardians of the galaxy vol 2

yet Lindsey Ellis made a very powerful

video essay about how much it moved her

I wanted the guardians of the galaxy

volume 2 a bit skeptical I was not

expecting

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so movies like the room Birdemic shock

and terror troll to Battlefield Earth

the emoji movie the films of Neil Breen

are all art very bad art trash is a

fitting word but still art just like how

the shawshank redemption' the Dark

Knight the Lord the Rings pulp fiction

the Mission Impossible movies The Fast

and Furious franchise the Marvel

Cinematic Universe and even those

soulless live-action Disney remakes they

are all art just to different degrees to

put this in sports terms everyone who

plays baseball can be considered a

baseball player just not everyone is

Babe Ruth so when Scorsese says Marvel

is in cinema

he's objectively wrong and when he

implies that Marvel is an art he is

again objectively wrong well he probably

simply means is that it's not his taste

which is a completely reasonable

position to have yeah well you know

that's just like your opinion man

everyone has allowed their opinion James

Gunn perhaps respond to Scorsese and

Coppola the best many of our

grandfathers thought all gangster movies

were the same often calling them

despicable some of our

great-grandfather's thought the same of

westerns and believed that the films of

John Ford Sam Peckinpah and Sierra Leone

were all exactly the same I remember a

great uncle to whom I was raving about

Star Wars he respond by saying I saw

that one was called 2001 and boy was it

boring

superheroes are simply today's gangsters

Cowboys outer space adventurers some

superhero films are awful some are

beautiful like westerns and gangster

movies and before that just movies not

everyone will appreciate them even some

geniuses and that's okay it's important

to remember what is thought of his art

is constantly changing it wasn't

incredibly long ago when movies weren't

considered art remember back a mere nine

years ago when Roger Ebert wrote a whole

editorial about how video games will

never be art the fact is both these

mediums are our

and it's important to recognize them as

art after all if you're willing to say

not everything in a certain medium is

art then you also have to look at an

activity like book-burning and say it's

fine as as you only burn certain books

and that's absolutely untrue tells me

that goose-stepping morons like yourself

should try a reading books instead of

burn

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they think order and chaos are somehow

opposites and try to control what won't

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