Published July 6, 2023, 9:20 a.m. by Jerald Waisoki
Should transgender athletes be allowed to compete with those of the gender they identify with or must they only compete with athletes who share the gender they were assigned at birth? Are laws that ban transgender women from participating in women's sports fair? LGBTQ+ activists have described criteria limiting transgender athlete involvement in gendered sports as "discriminatory.” Lia Thomas made headline news and stirred debate when she competed in swimming nationals as a transgender woman. Dr. phil, along with Layne Ingram, a transgender man and basketball coach, and Olympic swimmer Nancy Hogshead-Makar, an advocate for girls and women in sports and CEO of Champion Women, discuss what they believe is right and fair. Then, Riley Gaines, who competed against Lia Thomas, gives her perspective on how she felt after their race. The big question is: what does the science say? Harvard professor Dr. Carole Hooven breaks it down. (21005RR)
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when I was born I came out female in
February of 2017 I got my first shot of
testosterone and that was
probably one of the best days and then
in April I actually got hired to be the
basketball coach at Lansing Community
College and by June I had started to get
a few whiskers and I figured that I
should probably tell the team you know I
wanted to control that narrative the
first time I actually saw myself in the
mirror when I had kind of changed and it
took my breath away because finally what
I was seeing on the outside matched who
I always was I do feel like my authentic
self
but we're discussing the controversial
topic of transgender athletes are laws
that ban them for participating in
women's sports Fair
now lgbtq plus activists call it
discriminatory
but science is showing us another way to
look at this situation I want to
introduce Harvard Professor Carol hooven
who has been researching sex differences
and testosterone in humans
for over 20 years so thank you so much
for being here thank you
you've been listening to everything that
we've been talking about so far I just
want to say seeing that video you saw me
tear up because I'm so happy for you
thank you and the hormone
testosterone is so powerful and you are
the perfect person to describe what it
has done for you emotionally
psychologically and physically and it
changed your body and your mind in ways
that helped you feel more comfortable in
the world which is wonderful that we can
do this for people now
the science in my view is clear that the
Sexes are separated in sports for a
reason
and it's because males have natural and
categorical advantages over females in
terms of strength speed and power and
everyone can see this it's obvious so
the question is then well are these
advantages so significantly diminished
after puberty in trans women who block
testosterone that you remove those
initial male advantages and of course
you don't at least the evidence we have
no evidence to show that that initial
natural male advantage on average in
highly trained athletes is removed so
the ethical issue is well wait a minute
and this gets me a little bit emotional
sorry
uh because there are people who are
suffering
um and you have to think about somebody
like Riley being your child and how
would you feel about her situation and
someone like I have a 13 year old boy
and it's heartbreaking to think that if
he felt like he were trans and and then
he would be a she I think as a mom I
would probably want him to be able to
play on the in the female category so
what do we do
um and that's a conversation that we
really need to have and people who
oppose uh trans women in the female
category need to be able to hear the
argument from the sort of more
compassionate ethical side in my view
just to listen and you're about to think
that's what you're doing of course we
should have this conversation of course
we shouldn't call each other bigots or
unfair or cheaters we're all here I
think trying to do the right thing and
so I'm thrilled that you're having the
conversation do you have a story or a
question for me click the link in the
description and tell me what in the
world is going on
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