Published July 6, 2023, 9:20 a.m. by Jerald Waisoki
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[Welcome to the Total Mess Debate]
[Speed]
[Smarts] [Composure]
[Can tell she's busy from a mile away]
[Scribble scribble]
[Focus]
[Oh]
[Welcome to the Total Mess Debate]
Good evening
Hehehe
[Focus]
Welcome to the first Total Mess Debate
[Everybody scream]
Oh
Oh [Stop it]
Be calm [Today's concept is "Calm"]
[All of a sudden?]
HANNI, did you change up your concept today? [Never seen my friend like this before]
Yes, it doesn't feel like HANNI at all
I haven't changed at all [Coy]
[Anyway, everyone accepts the new concept]
[And calmly returns to the opening...?]
[Concept is destroyed] [Can't hold back on a happy hello ><]
Are you all feeling confident? [Everyone is nervous at the first official debate]
My confidence that I will do well
is at 100% [Serious]
-Me too -Yes, of course [Everyone is ready to go!]
I've already... you know
planned it all out in my head [Full of confidence]
Why am I the only one nervous? [But here, we have one nervous individual]
Oh, HANNI! Are you nervous?
Want me to teach you a power pose?
[A power pose...?]
[When you're feeling nervous just strike this pose]
[That pose seems familiar]
[Confused]
Anyway!
Before we start the Total Mess Debate [Everything is already a total mess]
we need to make name tags for the debate [Time to decorate name tags]
Decorating name tags
What should I do?
It would be boring to just write out your name
so we should add a nickname or something... [★Make it special for the debate★]
[Determined to do well]
This is so fun [Totally her style]
[While everyone else is going full steam ahead]
[one person is noticeably quiet]
[Today's moderator is feeling stuck]
My brain needs to start working [Come on, brain]
I need to start my brain up [What did everyone come up with?]
-KIM MINJI -KIM MINJI
Idea Bank KANG HAERIN!
Ooh
Totally Understood LEE HYEIN
DANIELLE Got It All Right!
Oh my
And our debate moderator!
The Total Mess Queen
Total Mess Queen
Okay! Let's get started [Let the Total Mess Debate begin!]
We'll post on Phoning and let our fans decide [Total Mess Debate rules] [1. Choose moderator through Phoning]
[2. Choose debate topic]
Let's go with this
Start the 100-second opening statement [3. 100-second opening statement]
An egg just can't come out of nowhere [4. Start the Total Mess Debate]
One, two, three! [5. Moderator's final choice]
-Drum roll, please -Today... [Final winner will get a special prize...?]
-I'm ready to become a mess today -Me too [※As this is a debate with no right answer]
-I'm always ready -Me too [it may include false statements that lack expertise]
I'm always a mess [so please enjoy the debate just for fun]
[Welcome to the Total Mess Debate]
Okay, first [First, choose a moderator] [Must choose a moderator through Phoning]
"The moderator..." [Writing up the post...] [The members will be debating...]
-"Who should be the moderator?" -Moderator, who?
Bunnies's comments will show up all at the same time like this
-And we should just pick one of them -Which comment should we pick? [Choosing which comment to pick]
We should go with the first one!
The first one might be hard to find if we get a bunch at the same time
-She's going to keep an eye on it -The first one?
I say the sixth one!
Debate, debate, go, go, go [Debate to decide this?]
Like you said, if there are too many...
Like you said, if there are too many comments
it would be hard to find comments
but the first one would be easy to find [HYEIN's stance: The first comment is easiest to find, so we should go with that]
I convinced you all, right?
[Okay then... haha]
Then, we'll go with the first comment? [Taking on HYEIN's suggestion]
-Okay -Nice
-Let's go with the first one -Sounds good [First comment will choose the moderator!]
Okay! [The members will be debating... Who should be the moderator?]
It's up! [Uploaded to Phoning!]
Drum roll, please... [Filled with anticipation]
Come on, Bunnies! Bunnies! [Bunnies! Choose our first moderator!!]
-Bunnies! -Oh? [MINJI will check the comments]
Oh? I see it, I see it, I see it, I see it!
[Who will the first moderator be?]
MINJI! [Bunnies choose MINJI!]
MINJI, KIM MINJI
[The first moderator will be MINJI]
Welcome [First debate] [Time to pick a debate topic]
The Total Mess Debate
Da dun! [What will the first topic be?]
Ta-da!
"What came first? Chicken vs. Egg" [First debate topic]
"What existed first in this world?" [Chicken came first vs. Egg came first]
Oh, I've heard this one a lot before [Chicken or egg?] [Long-standing debate topic]
Oh... It's so difficult [Deep in thought]
On the count of three [Time to split into teams]
those who think chicken came first should raise their hands
-One... -Can you give us five seconds? [In a rush]
-It's too difficult -Five [100% serious]
Four
Three
Two
One [What will HAERIN choose?]
Oh! It's too difficult! [Still can't come to a decision]
"Chicken came first," raise your hands! [Time to choose]
Hands up! [What will HAERIN choose?]
Da dun! [Chicken] [Chicken]
[HAERIN didn't raise her hand]
-You two will be Team Chicken -Chicken ["Chicken came first" HANNI & HYEIN]
-Egg, egg -Da dun! ["Egg came first" HAERIN & DANIELLE]
Okay
[Moderator] [Egg came first vs. Chicken came first]
Nice to meet you [Gentle]
Nice to meet you [Shy]
We should start writing our rebuttals
[What arguments will they make?]
We'll hear your opinions for 100 seconds [Total Mess Debate rules: Each team gets 100 seconds to argue their case]
Team Chicken, you can go first [HANNI & HYEIN Team "Chicken came first" will argue first]
Oh? Why are we first?
-Because you think chicken came first -Because...
[What...?]
Because you think chicken came first you go first [Brazen] [HAERIN's argument]
But you think egg came first, so... [Tensions are rising]
You're... You're just sharing your opinions [Stepping in]
"Chicken" is just one letter in Korean!
-"Egg" has two -Excuse me! [Debate is off to a rocky start]
-Chill! -Everyone
When I'm talking
everyone else stay quiet [A drastic measure]
We have to win over the moderator [Debate TIP: The moderator chooses the winner]
-Yes! Understood -Understood
Yes, understood We'll go first [Your wish is my command]
I didn't say a thing
[How to survive the mess]
-Would you like some water? -Do you need water? [This could be a long day for MINJI]
[Our gesture of sincerity]
Massage [Acting nice] [Then, how about a massage?]
That's enough, it's okay
If you're uncomfortable... [Any brownie points?^^]
-I'm okay -You're okay?
That's enough, I'm okay
[Calm down, everyone]
Now [Dizzy] [Today is going to be a long day]
Team Chicken, you get 100 seconds [Debate_finally_begins] [Team Chicken goes first]
Go!
We have two opinions
A godly presence first created animals
like bloop, bloop, bloop
and then had them procreate [HYEIN's argument: A godly figure created a chicken first, which created an egg]
And that's why I chose chicken
Chicken came first!
That's all [Toss]
Anyway! In this world [Toss, get]
the first animals to exist were dinosaurs, right?
Dinosaurs came first...?
Hey!
[A stern nose scrunch]
No obstruct! [Total Mess Debate rules: One can't object to other team's opening arguments]
We start with dinosaurs
but because dinosaurs were too big
they found life difficult
They found life difficult [Huh?]
so their bodies shrunk through evolution [HANNI's argument: Dinosaurs struggled and evolved into chickens to survive]
It was cold, so they grew feathers [As dinosaurs evolved]
to better suit their environment [This is oddly persuasive]
they evolved and got thinner legs
and wings, and then became chickens
Evolution! [To put it simply dinosaurs evolved into chickens]
I don't think I'm suited for debates [Team Chicken finishes opening arguments]
Me neither, I can't look them in the eye
This isn't a rebuttal [Ready to go] [DANIELLE & HAERIN, Team Egg's turn]
You have to share your arguments [Total Mess Debate rules: Rebuttals come after opening arguments from both teams]
Why do I feel nervous? [Heart is racing]
No, we can do this
I'm 100% positive [Confident]
Start! [Time for Team Egg to argue their case]
We took a different approach to this
All things in the world
are made up of elements [Scientific approach]
And those elements came together to create an egg [HAERIN's "egg comes first" argument]
And from there! With a little possibility [Listening] [Jotting down notes]
when the perfect surrounding environment to incubate an egg was formed
the egg hatched and that's when chicken was brought into the world
A chicken can't just fall from the sky, can it?
It's scientifically proven, as evolution
the chicken itself
can't just be created out of thin air
Eggs have existed for other bird species...
like this... [Pause]
throughout time...
[Like this, like this]
[You can do it]
[Got stuck because she has too much to say]
It's so difficult
-But -Evolution, evolution [They got her point]
But they keep... The eggs keep...
[So difficult]
-Help me -10 seconds left [Asks HAERIN for help]
10 seconds left [Not much time left]
Eggs were the start [Assistant]
The egg hatched and brought chicken [DANIELLE's argument: Eggs are a trait shared by many birds, so egg came first]
-Is what you meant to say -That's right!
Time's up [Initial arguments are done]
[Things are neck-and-neck from the first debate]
You all have a lot to say, right?
Now, you can start the messy debate
-Okay -An egg just can't come out of nowhere [Let's go]
-I'm just saying -No, no [Why it's called the Total Mess Debate]
Listen to me!
You said that
dinosaurs... [Flap]
Dinosaurs
were the first things [So funny]
to pop out on this earth [*A lot of English because they're excited]
-Her hair looks like a dinosaur... -Is that scientifically proven? [Rebuttal of dinosaurs with dinosaur hair]
Check the science books, man!
I have been through a lot of science books
and not a single one said that
dinosaurs
were the first animals
to live on this earth [HAERIN & HYEIN just find this hilarious]
I have gone through so many videos [Can't stop, won't stop]
What videos? Like "Jurassic Park"?
That's a movie, bro!
Excuse me! [Total mess]
"Jurassic Park"! She's all about dinosaurs [Stressful debate]
-Excuse me! -MINJI [Today is not going to be easy]
[MINJI LOL]
-Excuse me! -MINJI [Second battle begins]
This is too funny [Too funny to continue the debate]
The chicken has to have evolved from somewhere
and the only thing that the root is is a dinosaur [HANNI's rebuttal]
Dinosaurs
have many, many, many different species
If you go through books with dinosaurs
even in "Jurassic Park" movies
there's a bird type
That's right!
Bird-type dinosaurs [DANIELLE's rebuttal]
That's why it started from dinosaurs! [HANNI's rebuttal]
There are bird-type dinosaurs
-That's why it started from dinosaurs -Those birds... [DANIELLE and HANNI are going toe-to-toe]
And those birds laid eggs
And when those bird-type dinosaurs laid eggs
that doesn't make that dinosaur a chicken
It started with dinosaurs [Will not give up her dinosaur theory]
Why does it start with dinosaurs?! [DANIELLE's rebuttal]
Listen to my dinosaur talk! [HANNI's rebuttal]
Okay [T-That's enough]
Going by your theory, dinosaurs evolve according to their environments [New argument In]
and they evolved into chickens, right?
But it's when they lay their eggs [HAERIN's rebuttal]
that their offspring will show new changes
It's not like they wake up one day and magically become a chicken, right?
The egg must come first for there to be a chicken [Attack]
In order to evolve [Let me join in]
there needs to be something first, right?
That could be a dinosaur [HYEIN's rebuttal: Whether dinosaur or chicken, a living thing must exist first]
-or it could be a chicken -That's right!
Oh, what's this? [Look here] [HANNI brings up a drawing]
This is evolution [Final piece of evidence] [Dinosaur's evolution by. HANNI PHAM]
At the end...
Right now!
She's hypnotizing you with pictures!
[Moderator decides to wrap up the first debate here]
I think I've made up my mind, right? [Moderator has made her decision]
so let me share my decision [Did chicken come first or egg?] [What will the moderator choose?]
[Deep thoughts]
[That could've been choreographed]
[It's as if they planned it]
[A total mess all around]
[Have to stay on your toes the whole time today]
Okay, I've come to my decision [Time to choose the one she prefers]
One, two, three! [Which team will secure their first win?]
[Flash]
Yeah!
[Moderator's choice: Chicken came first]
Thank you [Joy and sadness all in one room]
Thank you, thank you
But we were right [Pat, pat] [But we were right]
-We won -We won
We won
Yes! Dinosaurs! [Dinosaurs win]
Dinosaurs [Dinosaurs win]
When I heard the "dinosaur evolution" theory [Why MINJI chose Team Chicken]
I doubted it a little at first
and then I heard Team Egg's arguments [Heard Team Egg's arguments while being on the fence]
and you talked about elements, right?
But where are the elements from? And like, how did they come about? [Doubts 2]
And you lost me and my curiosity on that matter [MINJI's curiosity disappeared]
So you lost me and my curiosity on that matter [Bummer] [First debate: Team Egg loses]
I'll draw it as a dinosaur [Winners HANNI & HYEIN get one point]
-Oh! Nice -Wow!
Now, let's choose the next moderator [Welcome to the Total Mess Debate]
Let's do it [Choosing the second moderator] [Will be done by randomly scrolling]
[Who will Bunnies choose as the second moderator?]
It must be MINJI again [Is it MINJI again?]
[HAERIN]
HAERIN! [HAERIN's turn]
[Second moderator will be HAERIN]
I'm going to go with this one [What is the second topic HAERIN chose?]
I'm excited [First time debating]
Oh my, oh my [This one also isn't going to be easy]
Why? Why? [So curious]
If a dog wears pants
should it look like the left? Or right?
This looks fun
So cute! [A topic right up her alley]
I got it, I'm so ready [Confident]
Okay, it should wear it like the left picture [Time to divide into teams]
One, two, three! [Must wear pants like the left image]
Left [Empty]
No? Then, here [Taken aback]
Me [Unanimous] [Dogs should wear pants like the image on the right]
-Oh... -Oh my gosh
What do we do, then? [All on the same team]
To be honest
I thought it was this side at first [MINJI originally went with the left image]
Dogs walk on all fours, right? They use all four legs
But I think it'd be so uncomfortable for the dog
[LOL]
It's not right [Must protect the doggo]
The belt would be uncomfortable? [Uncomfortable]
Pants coming up to their necks
would be so uncomfortable [Waddle]
They wouldn't be able to properly do what dogs need to do [Everyone is thinking on the dog's side]
If it's not stretchy, they can't even walk [Also need to consider how stretchy the material is]
So it's not for us to decide
-It's not for humans to decide? -No, our opinion doesn't matter [NewJeans' conclusion: Humans can't decide]
We should do what the dogs want
Then! We decided that
this topic is not up for humans to decide [Total agreement]
so let's approach it from a different angle [Tweaking the topic a little]
What would you consider the dog's lower body? [What is a dog's upper and lower body?]
First argument, up and down like this
or second argument front and back like this
Divided "Up and down"
[All in agreement again...?] [Quiet]
[Confusion]
Divided "Front and back"
You said you decided!
Hey!
I keep going back and forth [Confused] [Blank...] [Finding it difficult to decide]
-Then, I'll go with this! -I think it's that too [DANIELLE & MINJI go for the first choice]
No! You can't do that
No! You can't do that [Why...??]
You can't just say, "I'll go with this" [Against being pushed into a choice]
-Why? That's how I want to debate -But I have supporting arguments [I object to your objection]
-Let's do it! -I can argue with you! [Shake] [So fun] [A total mess]
[Moderator]
Are you all ready? [Calm down people]
-Yes! -We're ready [Everyone is ready to go]
Dogs walk on all fours [Time given to sort out their arguments]
It's actually quite simply when you talk about upper and lower body
it's the upper part and lower part
That's right!
This, this is... right! [DANIELLE & MINJI are on the same page]
Then [What about HANNI & HYEIN?]
She's showing interest in us! [Moderator♥]
N-No
I was just looking [No weird signals here]
When dogs express that they want something [HANNI & HYEIN are also bringing their opinions together]
-they use their two front feet -That's right
Okay [Nice, nice]
We'll now start the 100-second opening statements with this team [DANIELLE & MINJI to go first]
We'll make it easy to understand
What was the question?
It was asking where a dog's lower body is
So where is up, where is down
If you look at this drawing
it was a question about up and down
but you chose the image that divides the dog left to right [MINJI's argument]
You chose the image that divides the dog left to right [Okay] [Okay]
And a person's lower body consists of their legs, right?
A dog... [Here's a live demo]
A dog's [Upper body, lower body] [You know what I'm saying?]
lower body [Then, a dog...?]
Get up [No, get up]
Get up [That's my girl♥]
Don't do that [It's obvious, isn't it?]
We're being serious! Do you get it? [That's how serious we are]
That's all
I think that's enough
[DANIELLE's demonstration really helped]
Let's listen to the other team now [HANNI & HYEIN's opening statements]
Okay, first
of course, dogs walk on all fours
but when they want something [HANNI's argument]
they use their front legs [Dogs use their front paws like hands]
In addition [Listening closely]
I had a dog before
And it was a bit of a unique dog
When sleeping, it would sleep on its back
and hold the blanket like this
When I saw that, I thought
"Oh... Dogs might walk on all fours but they do have arms like this"
Dogs have arms! Why?
When you give a dog something to choose
[Another demonstration]
They do this!
Those are its arms, and that makes the hind legs part of the lower body [HYEIN's argument]
-You get it, right? -And let's wrap it up there [HANNI & HYEIN's first statements are over]
You get it, right?
Thank you for sharing your arguments [Arguments are ramping up for the second debate]
Now that we've heard from both sides
we'll need some time for rebuttals, right?
Total Mess Time
Start!
HYEIN, you said it yourself that dogs walk on all fours, right? [MINJI immediately attacks]
Oh... Dogs might walk on all fours
Dogs might walk on all fours...
Dogs might walk on all fours...
You said they have four legs [Oh my]
With your own lips [Aww...]
I'm sorry! But MINJI
You've never had a dog, right? [Desperate]
Why is that important?
It's important because you need to live with one to understand them [HANNI's rebuttal]
-And! -And
And the upper body [You go first]
Scientifically, the upper body of a person is where your lungs and rib cage is
For dogs too!
Their rib cage and lungs are at the front [HANNI's rebuttal]
That's where their upper body is
The lower body has stomach and intestines
so that's the lower body [Queen of logic]
This is so moving
[Round of applause]
But you can't have the same standards for humans and dogs [This is a battle of logic and reasoning]
Dogs don't walk around like this [DANIELLE's rebuttal: Dogs walk differently so they have different classifications]
Us too!
Before we walked like this
we all walked like this [Humans used to walk on all fours too]
But we walk like this now HANNI, you can't make such arguments [Calm down] [Hmph] [Who will win this time?]
-I think I've come to my decision -Still! [Moderator has made up her mind]
Oh, sorry
It's over
To be honest, I went back and forth many times
but if I'm really honest [Both] [are worried]
when this debate first started
I was already on one side However
listening to the arguments
I changed my mind [Moderator's mind was changed!]
[Which side will the moderator choose...?]
Babam
[Who will win the second round??]
[Moderator's choice]
HANNI! Oh my!
So proud of us! [HANNI & HYEIN's second win]
Yes!
-Science! -Yeah! [The power of science]
To... be honest [I have something to say]
To be honest...
I was persuaded too
That's why you were so quiet
Their rib cage and lungs are at the front That's where their upper body is [DANIELLE was convinced too]
I accept our defeat
-You did it -You did it [DANIELLE & MINJI accept defeat]
Is my science teacher watching?
My science teacher! [I dedicate this win to you...★]
I worked really hard!
I worked really hard [So sincere]
[★Won the second debate too★]
-Are we using the same method? -Yes! [Time to choose the third moderator]
[Scrolling like before]
Oh?!
[Who will be the third moderator?]
Oh?
It's MINJI? [★MINJI again★] [The moderator is MINJI Of course, it's KIM MINJI!!!]
"The moderator is MINJI Of course, it's KIM MINJI"
Oh!
[Wait, wait...?]
What?!
Amazing! [Bunnies even wrote her name in the same way as the name tag]
Wait, I feel like
there's a spy here [There's a spy in here]
What?! [This is 100% real]
-Destiny -♪ Destiny ♪ [MINJI was fated to be the moderator]
[Welcome to the Total Mess Debate]
Everyone, eyes on me [Time to choose the third debate topic]
-It's time to pick a new topic -Sorry, sorry
Okay
I'm scared now [Fear of the total mess continues to grow]
[What will the third topic be?]
[Squeal of happiness]
I want to debate about this too! Oh, man
-What is it? -Why? [What is it?]
-What? -I'm so curious [Anyone can see how excited she is]
I want to debate on this too!
Why? Why? Why? Why? [What topic does MINJI want too?]
Oh my! It's so cute [Here is the third topic]
Who is more proactive?
Who is more proactive? [Who is more proactive in the lyrics?] ["Hype Boy" vs. "Attention"]
The person in the "Hype Boy" lyrics
or the person in the "Attention" lyrics? [Exciting third topic, who will win?]
[Current score] [MINJI / HAERIN / HANNI / DANIELLE / HYEIN]
You lack conviction! [Next time] [Total Mess Debate isn't over]
You can't separate them
because they're in love
-Call him! -We aren't sure of that [100% a total mess, 1000% immersed]
Are you saying it doesn't make sense right now?
-It's such a beautiful part -Wait! [Who will win this debate?]
-Wait, everyone! -For sure...
-Please stop! -Close your eyes, talk, feel [Please tune in next week]
[Which came first, chicken or egg?] [Cock-a-doodle-doo] [Chicken]
[Oh my... I need to be persuasive today] [Wow]
[What if dogs wore pants?] [Left vs. Right]
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